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Discussion starter · #41 ·
@Littlelegs nothing wrong as such. A working watch with a long stem! However…

All went well with disassembly and cleaning at lunch. I oiled the bottom balance jewel and was then oiling the top when I put the spring to one side. Now I’m not sure what happened. I may have blinked, a butterfly flapped its wings or a single cell organism vibrated slightly, but it’s gone. Watchmaking is cruel like that. I thought I’d got lucky when looking over the floor and desk with a strong torch, but it was just another shock spring I’d lost in the past! Nobody said this was going to be cheap or easy.

To put into context, a shock spring is around 1.5mm diameter and it’s barely perceptively thick. Sometimes you get lucky, but with so little mass doesn’t even register if it hits you, it’s often just disappeared. A poorly timed exhale through the nose could put these into low earth orbit which may result in it coming back around in the future or just disappearing into a horological wormhole.

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Downside, it ran nicely with the, what I believe to be, Trishock setting. Upside, it’s the same (and tested) as that from an AS1950 so plenty available. And it gets an ‘upgrade’ to incabloc, which is only better because the spring is captive and they aren’t obsolete. Pictured next to an AS ST 1950 in a Rotary. The 1950 is a bigger size movement main plate but shares these parts, hopefully you can make out the lip around the outside of the bridges which makes the size difference.

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So on the hunt for one, a few earmarked on eBay and having spare parts for AS ST movements doesn’t hurt.

There are plenty of scratches inside the case meaning it’s been serviced more than a few times. And seemingly it’s had various bits changed over time. The train bridge doesn’t have the decoration of the others so is a replacement. Likely it’s spent most of its life in India and been maintained however it could be. The mainspring also looks a little worse for wear and isn’t flat, but still works. A candidate also for a swap.

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Taking it apart was perhaps a frustrating choice with hindsight, but it was the right thing to do.

Onwards and upwards. I’ll continue the assembly and set it aside until I have a parts in my hand. Did I mention that I need more storage? Incoming with some other bits from Aliexpress and should be here this week.

I’m still deciding on a new mat too. The silicone one picks and holds dirt and static. Time for a change for assembly and I’ll keep this for dirty work.
 
Shame about the missing spring but it’s looking very clean to my untrained eye. Great job so far. Hopefully it’ll run for a good few years more when you’ve done.

I wish I had the skills and patience to service my own watches. Servicing and the potential costs are one of the things that makes me consider slimming down the collection. I love having the variety to choose from but if they all failed I’d have some decisions to make😂😂
 
Discussion starter · #43 ·
It’s something to keep me busy. I am certainly getting better but sometimes these things happen. I managed to score a peach to fix it with though…


The plates may be all of what is good in this! But for £10 posted it’s a punt I’m willing to take.

One day I’ll pluck up the courage to service something of real value.
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
Bricey. Your pm received and I’ll reply tomorrow. Enjoy today and cherish the moment.

It’s been a day off today but I tried something different. Another of @Littlelegs’ watches. A very handsome Citizen which the crystal has seen better days. I am presuming some work has gone into removing some scratches as it looks evenly hazed.

I tried some cerium oxide on a cloth. Mixed to a paste and then wetted as needed and rubbed with a cotton cloth. Probably around an hour in total of hand polishing. I think it may need some more with the rotary tool but wanted to see how I got on by hand. Some improvement.

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You’re right about the polishing. You couldn’t actually see through the Crystal when I got that one. It had some pretty extensive scratches. think I used cape cod then various grades of wet and dry to get it to the hazy look. I then gave up as the watch kept stopping on date changeover.
You’ve done a great job on cleaning the Crystal there. It looks way better🤙
 
For your sake I hope you don’t get too good at servicing watches , TWF personal watch repair guy you will become and you will never be short of a side job or 2
Eventually I will get round to sending you the seiko 5 I just don’t want to overwhelm you when I know you can be a busy man
 
Whilst ever it’s a hobby or I’m doing things for people who know the situation it’s fine. With only a handful of watches under my belt, I’m just dipping a toe in things.
And that's the way to keep it a hobby and not let it become a millstone around the neck.
Been there. (y)
 
Discussion starter · #51 · (Edited)
A varied day. Between a couple of plumbing and carpentry jobs around the house I’ve done some watch bits.

The new clutch arrived for the AS2066. Clearly worn and the new part is much better. Still not a smooth as I’d like so I’ll leave it a while and get back to it later. New above, old below showing quite a small amount of engagement on those teeth before it wore.

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Three more dial holders and a five tier parts tray arrived from Aliexpress today. So it can live there for a while.

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And a new oiler. My current ones are brass and very cheap, this is presumably steel and has a aluminium handle. They’ve lasted well and still do a fine job. This a massive step up for the very fine which gets used lots. And importantly it’s finer which means more precise oiling and a smaller quantity because I’m inevitably over oiling. It feels like a quality tool in the hand.

The old black one has had some use and will still be useful for manipulating small objects.

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The Citizen has had some time with the rotary tool, cerium oxide and a felt bob. By no means like new but lots more clarity and I’ll park this polishing for now.

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And finally that donor 1950/51 has arrived. And with all of two minutes effort it’s running! Quite what possessed the damage and destruction I do not know. But at least it’s parts ready to go to get things fixed up in the Tressa.

Poor thing.

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Discussion starter · #52 · (Edited)
Lunchtime is productive time. The Tressa is all finished up. It’s had an initial regulation and I’ll run it till it stops and then give it another wind and check.

I’ve changed the bridges out for those from the donor to make it all look the same. I also changed out the mainspring and barrel from the donor, hopefully you’ll see why below.

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And the shot from regulating on the timegrapher (dial up). The noise is me flipping it in the stand to make changes. Dial down has some rate change but only climbing to +13 s/d. If it stays like that I’m really happy.

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@Littlelegs. If you’d like this back please let me know.
 
Lunchtime is productive time. The Tressa is all finished up. It’s had an initial regulation and I’ll run it till it stops and then give it another wind and check.

I’ve changed the bridges out for those from the donor to make it all look the same. I also changed out the mainspring and barrel from the donor, hopefully you’ll see why below.

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And the shot from regulating on the timegrapher (dial up). The noise is me flipping it in the stand to make changes. Dial down has some rate change but only climbing to +13 s/d. If it stays like that I’m really happy.

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@Littlelegs. If you’d like this back please let me know.
Looking good alex🤙. I’ve more than enough watches tbh so please feel free to do with it as you wish. It’s just nice to see it running nicely with a proper fitting stem. Great job 👏
 
Discussion starter · #55 ·
An so what next? An evaluation of a couple more of the watches from Jamie.

Timestar AKA glitterball.

My understanding is that these were basically made for the Indian market. It does certainly look like someone has been in there and shows all the signs of having had some moisture in there possibly from high humidity. Externally it looked pretty good however I really struggled to get the case back off and there was a lot of grinding. Once I finally did get inside it was a bit of a mess.

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Appeared to be some kind of varnish on the back case inside and lots and lots of metal filings all throughout the inside. I expect this is from multiple tries to opening the back of the case and it’s just ground away. It looks like the wrong case back because it’s been peened in three places to make the threads lock onto the case generally not very good.

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The staining can be seen on the dial side of the movement. I couldn’t shift it no matter what I used, acetone, IPA, meths didn’t even seem to make a mark on it. I tried to lightly braid it but in the end just gave up and left it as it was.
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I disassembled the movement and then put everything through the ultrasonic firstly in water to just try and shift some of the dirt. Much of what you see in the following pictures is just metal shavings that came off the case case back and the crystal.

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Rinse one
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And rinse two

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After this, it went into the IPA for the final rinse. The whole movement was put through IPA except where there is shellac which went into Renata.

Pretty obvious after cleaning why it didn’t really run very well. The hairspring looked quite bent and actually it transpired when I started to manipulate it that had broken. This was at one of the easier points on the spring which made it still reusable just at the stud.

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So out comes the stud outcome the brass tack which holds the hairspring into the stud and I reattached the hairspring.

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Reattached and better than it was.

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It wouls have been time saved not doing all of this if I’d taken the jewel out when I was cleaning. The balance bottom jewel had separated from the Chaton (holder) rendering this useless to me at the moment. I have no idea how to fix it other than a replacement or setting change from another HS Lorsa p62 family movement. I’ll chalk this one up to experience a good practice at straightening a hairspring and reattaching it to a stud. A disappointing end to this one, however, it was always going be touch and go with all that metal filings in the case if it was actually going to work. I’ll be on the lookout for something which might have a similar stone in it that I can use in future.
 
Tinkering feedback a week on....

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Autavia has remained bob on.

Given it kept good time until about a year ago when I had agreed to part exchange it with Subdial, agreed a price and then they knocked me down £400-500 quid because they said it needed a full service because it was running slow, it makes me wonder....

A) Is it likely a bump in transit could have resulted in it losing time (but then remaining constantly slow ever since, until regulated)

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B) Is it possible that a buyer could claim it's running slow and needs a service, and if called on it, just de-regulate a little and send it back?
 
Discussion starter · #58 ·
I suppose a heavy knock would be very plausible . And B is possible but a risky strategy by a buyer.

I’m really glad it’s still behaving. Think of the money people gave/will spend when perhaps the service offered isn’t entirely required. An unscrupulous independent/jeweler could have held on to it for a month, charged for a service and only regulated. Maybe I’m just a cynic.
 
Discussion starter · #59 · (Edited)
A little bit of a break from watchmaking whilst I focused on some other things in life. As the staking set whiles its way over the ocean (it has a purpose for fixing something lovely for @Littlelegs!) I’ve set to on a couple more things.

I feel like I’m going backwards with the Tissot hairspring so am looking for replacements. Before I ruin it I want to stop and evaluate where I am going wrong and what I need to do to improve.

The Citizen has been disassembled ready for cleaning and reassembly. Very luckily the technical guides are available and mostly comprehensive with pictures, oiling guides etc. one left hand thread not identified in the guide but it didn’t get past me(!) and I’ve marked it on my tech sheets for reassembly. There are a lot of parts in the cal 5470.

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The Hudson iInstalite for @Littlelegs has been readied. A neat direct read watch with a small light which runs on an LR43 battery installed in a sliding back cover. The movement is fully mechanical

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The light mechanism can be seen below, just a finger which pushes to make contact on the battery and a tiny lamp.

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The challenge here was very much size, it’s a tiny movement which was a good test of tweezer skills.

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One of the wheels had come loose from a pivot and will need reattaching which was part of my though process on a staking set, other than it’s just new tools which is always a good outcome!

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And finally after going down a wormhole of knowledge I came across a video about modifying demagnetisers to mean that they are easier to use. And duly modified mine meaning that you no longer have to faff moving the item out of the magnetic field. Great with a tray of parts.


If you have one of those blue box demagnetisers and want to modify it, PM me as I have 9 PTCs left with no more use for them.
 
A little bit of a break from watchmaking whilst I focused on some other things in life. As the staking set whiles its way over the ocean (it has a purpose for fixing something lovely for @Littlelegs!) I’ve set to ok a couple more things.

I feel like I’m going backwards with the Tissot hairspring so am looking for replacements. Before I ruin it I want to stop and evaluate where I am going wrong and what I need to do to improve.

The Citizen has been disassembled ready for cleaning and reassembly. Very luckily the technical guides are available and mostly comprehensive with pictures, oiling guides etc. one left hand thread not identified in the guide but it didn’t get past me(!) and I’ve marked it on my tech sheets for reassembly. There are a lot of parts in the cal 5470.

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The Hudson iInstalite for @Littlelegs has been readied. A neat direct read watch with a small light which runs on an LR43 battery installed in a sliding back cover. The movement is fully mechanical

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The light mechanism can be seen below, just a finger which pushes to make contact on the battery and a tiny lamp.

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The challenge here was very much size, it’s a tiny movement which was a good test of tweezer skills.

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One of the wheels had come loose from a pivot and will need reattaching which was part of my though process on a staking set, other than it’s just new tools which is always a good outcome!

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And finally after going down a wormhole of knowledge I came across a video about modifying demagnetisers to mean that they are easier to use. And duly modified mine meaning that you no longer have to faff moving the item out of the magnetic field. Great with a tray of parts.


If you have one of those blue box demagnetisers and want to modify it, PM me as I have 9 PTCs left with no more use for them.
Wow, you’ve been busy. Wish I had the patience/skill. I’ll stick to fettling the bigger parts on the landy with my sausage fingers 😂
The Hudson movement looks Miniscule😱. Bet that was a pain to dismantle. The light actually did work for the limited period the watch ran if I remember correctly.
Top work🤙
 
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