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Avia: Forgotten but not Gone

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#1 ·
As a collector of Limit watches, I am acutely aware of the frustration engendered by collecting items from a company where the early history of that company has, well, vanished. Thus it is with some trepidation that I embark on a topic about the Avia Watch Company, only in this case I am seemingly not alone in my quest for relevant information, as there have been other queries about Avia made online, without much success.

This paucity of information is neatly summed up in "Faded London" (faded-london.blogspot.co.uk/2011_09_archive.html) where a blogger discusses a 1950s Avia advertising plaque on a shop window in Brixton market. Having shown the window concerned, the blog goes on to bemoan the lack of historical information about Avia, the company. The blogger states that, "...the internet seems to be full of people not being able to find out much information about old Avia watches they've acquired! Some snippets of information that were floating around seem to suggest that the company had its roots in 1830, but then doesn't seem to have been registered as a brand until 1910. It was a London company and its quality seems to have been thought of as being pretty good, at least up to the advent of quartz watches when it seems to have tailed off somewhat. The company was bought by an American businerss in 2001 and still has a presence mainly providing inexpensive watches to department stores."

So here you have what happens when a company history becomes forgotten - snippets of information, sometimes contradictory, such as those provided by this blogger, are all you have, without even the mainstays of the researcher, including wikipedia and a company website, to fall back on.

My first line of defence is a piece of writing on the Penrose Antiques Wordpress website entitled, "Avia Watches, the Digital Revolution and the Near death of the Mechanical Watch." Here, the first thing we are told, once again, is that not a lot seems to be known about the Avia brand, yet we are also told that Avia had a big impact on the watch manufacturing industry.

Using this source, and other snippets of information, the early history of Avia can be summed up as follows. The company began its history when, in 1887, H. V. Degoumois was established in La Chaux de Fonds, Switzerland. The brand name of Avia was registered either in 1910 (according to a number of sources) or 1937 (according to the Penrose Antiques article, quoting from Mikrolisk - the horological trade mark index). The absence of Avia watches pre-dating the Second World War does make one believe that the 1937 date is nearer the mark, but it is difficult to escape the more established 1910 date for the Avia brand's beginnings. Prior to 1937, in 1933, the company of Demougois apparently moved premises to Neuchatel, also in Switzerland, although here again there is some confusion, with other sources quoting the company of Demougois et Cie as being in both Neuchatel and Chaux de Fonds, at the same time, certainly by the registration date of 1910.

What we do know is that while the earliest part of the Avia story is little known, except perhaps that the company was a pioneer in the production of wrist watches, the years of the Second World War mark an important turning point for Avia when the American market became vital for the firm's existence and advances. During World War 2, the main US distributor of Avia watches was M. A. Mead & Co. in Chicago, and Mead marketed Avia-made military watches, including a military timer that was utilized by air crews searching for submarines. This watch incorporated a very accurate timer and stop watch. Mead watches manufactured by Avia were sometimes marked "AVIA" but also were given the name "Boulevard", and the watches contained movements made by the Avia Watch Factory in Switzerland.

Also during World War 2, another important American watch company was importing Avia watches and these are sometimes marked with the model name of "Garland" or just with the company name, "BALL". The company concerned was the famous Ball Watch Company, founded in the late 19th century by Webster Clay Ball, in the late 19th century. W. C. Ball was an important figure in American watchmaking, especially in the pursuit of more accurate and relaible timepieces, even though the Ball company did not actually manufacture watches themselves. Instead, they had watches made for them with movements and cases coming from various manufacturers produced under contract to Ball's specifications, with some final adjustments being made by the Ball company. The Ball Watch Company at first used mainly American movements from top American makers such as Hamilton, Elgin and Waltham, but in the early 1940s there was a policy shift by the company and it recommended that Swiss movements from Avia be used instead for Ball's wristwatches. This must have been a real boost for Avia, and probably enhanced their reputation in the American watch market. It should also be noted that the company of A. Wittnauer & Co. of New York, also sold Avia-made watches.

As I have said, quite a few World War Two Avia watches survive and the allied military utilised the brand. Whether any Avia watches were used by the Germans in World War 2 I don't know, and I also don't know how many Avia military watches were imported into Britain.

While the wartime history of Avia seems tied up with the United States, the postwar years saw an increase in Avia watches being imported into this country and we have many surviving Avia mechanical watches from the 1950s and 1960s. Interestingly, on ebay there are a number of original Avia adverts from the 1950s through to the 1980s for sale, and looking at them, the name of Newmark appears as an important importer and marketer of Avia watches in this period. Avia was clearly known as a manufacturer of good quality mechanical lever movement watches, and the materials used for cases ranged from solid gold to cheaper gold-plated and stainless steel examples.

1951 advertisement for Avia 15 jewel ladies watch - note the Louis Newmark importers name (pic from uk.ebid.net):

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Going back to the London blogger quoted at the beginning of this topic, we have the assertion that the quality of Avia's watches tailed off towards the advent of quartz watches. However, it has to be said that the company was actually in the forefront of quartz watch technology, albeit not on its own. In fact, Avia produced some interesting pre-quartz electronic watches under the name, "Avia Swissonic" and these watches used a Dynatron ESA movement developed from 1962. In 1968, Avia became part of a consortium of 6 watch manufacturers including Invicta and Sandoz, and it was this consortium that developed the very first quartz digital watch having an LCD display. This new watch appeared for the first time on 6 March 1972 at the Basle watch fair.

Elegant Avia wristwatch from the 1960s (pic from antiques-atlas.com):

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Avia seems to have actually flourished during the first part of the quartz revolution and its quartz watches became very popular in the mid 1970s. It was only when digital and quartz watches started to become cheap and mass-produced that Avia started to suffer and could no longer compete with the massive competition from low price producers. The Avia company started to decline at the end of the 1970s, although it remained a brand name during the troubled 1980s and 90s, but without a sense of individual direction.

When we reach the 1990s, there is another hiatus in the history of Avia which only ended in 2001 when Fossil acquired the company and the brand name. And it is these years of stagnation that seem to have fostered the idea that Avia was always a British company. Looking at recent company directories, we find tantalising references to Avia Watch Company being based in this country. For example, in "Jewelry Catalogue" we still find the Avia Watch Co. Ltd. being listed as having a main address at Ormside Way, Redhill, in Surrey, with the firm still being involved in the clock and watch business. However, we also have a slightly confusing reference to Avia Watch Company as a successor to the Avia Watch Co. Ltd. being based at Wolverton Mill, Milton Keynes, and this concern was apparently a wholesaler of household goods, then finally dissolved with accounts being produced up to 2005. Interestingly, at dissolution this company still had assets of nearly 2 million pounds, and ÂŁ87,000 in cash. How this last company relates to Avia watches is a mystery, and there is still the rumour that Avia was always an English company. The British connection during the history of Avia before the 1990s needs further research and I wish I knew more about it.

Whatever the case, the British connection was clearly central to the Avia brand name by the 1990s, and fortunately a more coherent history of Avia watches returns with the purchase of the brand by Fossil in 2001. Once again, we return to the Redhill-based Avia Watch Company Ltd. which became a subsidiary of Fossil (UK) Holdings Ltd. In reports of the Fossil takeover, we get a useful snapshot of the Avia Watch Company. A news release from PR Newswire dated 21 May 2001 stated the following:

"Richardson, Texas - Fossil Inc. (Nasdaq: FOSL) announced today that it has acquired all the outstanding capital stock of The Avia Watch Company, Ltd. ... headquartered outside of London, England. Avia, which traces its roots back to the turn of the 20th century, designs, markets and distributes AVIA brand watches and serves as a distributor of licensed and private label watches throughout the United Kingdom." ... "Avia brand watches range from classic designs to sport chronographs with suggested retail prices from approximately US$14 to $175 dollars. The Company services a wide spectrum of customers from one of the largest catalogue distributors in the UK to independent jewellers. In addition, the Company serves as a private label watch supplier for a major UK store chain and functions as a distributor for the Burberry and Skagen brand watch lines in the UK."

This report is verified by an overview of the Avia Watch Company Ltd. produced by Businessweek, where once again Avia is listed as offering watches under its own name as well as Skagen and Burberry, and now, after 21 May 2001, operating as a subsidiary to Fossil (UK) Holdings Ltd. Fossil were obviously pleased to purchase Avia as it gave the group an increased foothold in the UK watch market, and since then, Avia watches have continued to be produced, albeit on a seemingly rather limited scale.

Avia limited edition quartz watch with brown leather strap and plated stainless steel case. I have included this watch because it is still for sale on Amazon for just under ÂŁ25 and because I have one in my collection. I therefore can vouch for its overall quality and the superb packaging it comes in - well worth the discounted Amazon price. I am not sure exactly how long ago this model was in production but I don't believe it is still being manufactured (pic from Amazon.co.uk):

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The question remains as to what the future holds for Avia, the brand, as part of the Fossil watch empire. I have seen and also acquired a few Avia watches produced just before and just after the Fossil takeover, and I would say that Avia watches have been placed in the lower end of the market for some time. Nevertheless, some of the modern Avia watches are actually quite good and even some of the most recent products are not without merit. Here I refer you to a recent but undated Independent "50 best watches" Guide, in which two Avia watches are included. Both of them are priced at under ÂŁ35 and both are somewhat retro in design, with metal straps and some water resistance. The more expensive of the two has a date window, and both are praised as being excellent everyday watches. One current problem for Avia is that there is no brand website, and it is not clear what Fossil intends for the brand in the future. What is clear however is that the Avia of old, where good quality mechanical watches were made using the company's own movements, will never return, and even when it comes to quartz watches, Avia will probably remain at the lower end of the market. This does seem a shame, but like so many other well-known watch brands and companies, Avia has been the victim of globalisation and the general amalgamation of watch brands into giant, worldwide, groups where individual identity has, to a great extent, been subsumed into the mass-production of watches based in the Far East.

I must just end with an apology that I have not managed to do this brand justice although I have done my best to provide some account of Avia's history. Hopefully, future writers will fare better than I in unravelling the story of this eminently collectible watch brand, and I look forward to the results of future research.
 
#35 ·
I thought this may be an appropriate thread in which to include my 1967 Avia "Ajustor" which has a 17j FHF 73 as the base calibre, but much modified by the incorporation of Fernand Etienne's patented "Ajustor" mechanism.
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Thought to have been 250 Avia examples produced and which were mightily expensive at the time.

Regards.
 
#36 · (Edited by Moderator)
There is quite a lot of personal interest and sentimental attachment in these watches. The little Avia on the left was given to my late mother by my father on the day I was born. He gave her the small Rotary in the middle on their 20th wedding anniversary. Sadly he passed away a couple of years after that. The larger Rotary on the right was my 80th birthday gift to her. She had macular degeneration and could not really see the time on those very small watches.

A couple of years before she died, she brought the two small watches downstairs on my birthday in August and gave them to me, saying that she had taken them to a local watchmaker and he had declared them beyond repair. I took them to a watchmaker in Norwich who fixed them both up pretty quickly and the following Christmas I gave them back to her both ticking. The look on her face is something I will never forget. But she still gave them back to me to look after and keep.

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Here is my Birth Day watch next to my Birth Year watch, bought from a well-known moderator of this forum, to celebrate my 60th.

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#38 ·
Could someone help me date my one if poss?

I haven't got an online foto and can't seem to work out how to link a pic from my pc but here goes.

15 Jewels, gold case, textured "bow tie" or BMW logo whichever way you would look at it dial, solid baton gold hands, sub dial, scrolly Avia logo, golden markers and numerals at 12, 3, 9 with the lower part of the six under the subdial. It is on an ancient 9k gold expanding bracelet.

I am curious more than anything now as other forums ppl have said late 40's early 50's due to the "bow tie" and ornate branding.

Today I timegraphed using what I call a baby timegrapher recently bought on ebay, half my collection and I had to do the Avia several times because it just refused to move from a single track line with a little splittng into two tracks but infrequently, its amplitude was very good as was beats, beat error under a ms and wait for it.... its secs loss a day.... 0.3s/d. I did this ten times and for considerable periods and it just didn't deviate from it.

It absolutely destroyed a brand new Miyota 8215 and a Seagull DG2813, made my two Seikos look bad with one my calibration watch for the tester and nothing came close to it new or old.

After polishing tonight, the watch has fetched up like new and I am wondering if this is the case, that down the years this watch which bore little signs of wear, no scratches or dings in the case, clear crystal and a clean dial, that I managed to pick up a watch that has never been used and there is no servicing marks in the caseback either but surely its original oil would be nasty and slowing it down?

The ebay seller offered it buy it now for ÂŁ4 if memory serves me right claiming it needed a new battery, it was water damaged and not working, I at first was of the mind the bracelet was worth a lot more than the whole piece and it arrived here a bit dusty and grubby but no sign of any water damage past or present, I wound it a couple twirls and the second hand started turning so puzzled I put it on my computer desk shelf where I put my observation pieces to see which ones stop, lose or gain time etc and it was still going the next day...
 
#42 ·
Stumbled on this when looking for info about my Avia 17Jewel Automatic Incablock with Date. I have had this since August 1967 when it was bought new in Birmingham ( England). I stopped wearing it some years ago because the Automatic mechanism would not keep it going 24 hours a day. I replaced it with a quartz watch. I am not a watch collector but I have 5 currently.
I dug out the Avia recently because the strap on my current one broke and in the current lockdown situation I didn't want to go out to buy a new one.

The Avia works fine as long as I remember to give the winder a few turn each night.

I would ad a couple of photos but I don't seem to be able to include them
 
#44 ·
Just trying to research a model not mentioned in this thread, and I turned to one of my favourite books - The Golden age of the Wristwatch by Bruce Shawkey. He has a small section on Avia, and at the end of it he says 'if you want to learn more about Avia go to.... THIS THREAD!'

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So who is Bruce? I have a few of his books and they are very helpful.

I also found this website with old Avia adverts - sadly not for the watch I am researching (Avia Marino divers watch)

https://www.hifi-archiv.info/Uhren-Werbung/Avia/index.html
 
#45 ·
Just trying to research a model not mentioned in this thread, and I turned to one of my favourite books - The Golden age of the Wristwatch by Bruce Shawkey. He has a small section on Avia, and at the end of it he says 'if you want to learn more about Avia go to.... THIS THREAD!'

2021-01-20_10-07-34

So who is Bruce? I have a few of his books and they are very helpful.

I also found this website with old Avia adverts - sadly not for the watch I am researching (Avia Marino divers watch)

https://www.hifi-archiv.info/Uhren-Werbung/Avia/index.html
That's great recognition of the forum and Honour's work. I found that advertising site a while ago and wondered how it came to be on a "hifi archive".

Assuming the question about Bruce wanted an answer ...

https://brucesvintagewatches.com/pages/about-bruce
 
#58 ·
Hi everyone, I have a gold Avia watch that was given to me by my grandad. I'm trying to find a new strap for it but can't seem to find one that would fit on it as it doesn't need pins the leather just folds over the bars on the watch. Does anyone know the name of the type of strap I need?
thank you
 
#59 ·
Hi everyone, I have a gold Avia watch that was given to me by my grandad. I'm trying to find a new strap for it but can't seem to find one that would fit on it as it doesn't need pins the leather just folds over the bars on the watch. Does anyone know the name of the type of strap I need?
thank you
Fixed lug/bar watch strap, or open ended watch strap.

HTH

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#61 ·
My Mum's Avia Olympic watch with a Felsa 4023 movement. Probably from the 60's/70's. My Mum died nearly 10 years ago and she hadn't used it for decades before that, so I was not surprised to see it wouldn't run. I twisted it gently to get the balance wheel to spin and it ran for a few seconds. I kept doing that for about half an hour and most times it ran for a bit longer. Eventually it ran for a hour, then longer, and then it just kept going. It's now running OK. Loses a few minutes a day, but that's not a surprise.

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#62 ·
My Mum's Avia Olympic watch with a Felsa 4023 movement. Probably from the 60's/70's. My Mum died nearly 10 years ago and she hadn't used it for decades before that, so I was not surprised to see it wouldn't run. I twisted it gently to get the balance wheel to spin and it ran for a few seconds. I kept doing that for about half an hour and most times it ran for a bit longer. Eventually it ran for a hour, then longer, and then it just kept going. It's now running OK. Loses a few minutes a day, but that's not a surprise.

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That's lovely that is.
 
#63 ·
Just trying to research an old Avia I've had for years. Originally belonged to my grandfather who died in 1964.

It's marked Avia DE LUXE self winding, was probably bought in London. Centre second hand, 17 jewels. Looks as if it was luminous at first. Case appears to be chrome plated brass. My father told me he hadn't been able to wear it due to corrosion where it contacts the skin. Same for me. Stainless steel back is, of course, not corroded. Back appears to have a model number, 3657.1. Movement is copper plated. Marked AS 1361 N Will add pics if I can find out how.

Any idea of age?

Any idea how I can stop the corrosion so I can wear it occasionally?
 
#64 ·
My girlfriend now my wife of some 40 plus years bought me an Avia watch for my sixteenth birthday and after it having spent a number of years in the bedside cupboard with a broken metal strap I popped in a new battery and fitted a NATO strap and use on a daily basis. It is a quartz and keeps great time. Nearly 49 years old and still going strong, cannot complain about the quality or the memories the watch invokes

well done Avia
 
#65 ·
Just bought a stack of paperwork from eBay. It's from July 1968 and includes a trade price list for Avia watches in the UK, published by Louis Braham Ltd. There are dozens and dozens of Avia watches listed with Reference numbers, descriptions, RRP/Selling prices and "Price to retailer". Here's a typical description:

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5 1/2" 17jl. Incabloc. Silver Marcasite set tonneau case, round glass w/fancy set cover over joints, silvered sunburst dl. gilt raised figs 12 and 6 & index. Silver Marcasite set fancy expanding link bracelet , centre fastening and ladder adjustment."

There's also a price list for "Corvette by Avia". Clearly a cheaper line.

Could be a really useful resource for a vintage Avia fan? I bought it because there was a 1 page KERED price list included, and I have a number of KEREDs that I would love to date a bit better.
 
#66 · (Edited)
There's also a price list for "Corvette by Avia". Clearly a cheaper line.
In 1961/62 Newmark were advertising "Newmark Corvette, imported 15 and 17 jewel lever watches" in the BHI journal. A feature in April 1962 said Newmark Corvette watches had Swiss movements and the Kered range French or German ones. "Corvette by Avia" seems to have launched in 1966 and offered 17 jewel Swiss lever movements at ÂŁ6-ÂŁ15. I saved this picture of a Corvette diver for some reason, off Ebay I expect. ETA 2472, so not that shabby for a budget brand.

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#75 ·
Trying to find information about Avia.
Here's my little story. My mother bought me a rectangular solid 9ct gold Avia for my 18th birthday in 1969 for ÂŁ22. Number on the back is 3902. We had been looking at it in the shop in Brixton for some time. It came with a possible solid gold strap but unfortunately my father was made redundant that year so my mother couldn't manage the strap at that time. The two would have been ÂŁ44. A few years later my mother had saved the money to buy a gold strap but the original one was no longer being made so we had the alternative in the photo, which actually is nicer than the original, I think.
Some time in the eighties the watch stopped working - I wore it often. The repair shop in Forest Hill, which I think was owned by a Mr Shilibear, went to a lot of trouble to obtain a small part which he said was broken. At the same time, some damp had got inside the case and damaged the face, which had been white with some satin-like lines. Unfortunately, the replacement was 'champagne' coloured, as he called it. I strongly dislike it but apparently there was nothing else available to fit. Mr Shilibear told me his wife had the identical watch, which he had bought her, and her watch had the same 'weak' part.
Some time in the noughties the watch stopped working again And I wasn't able to get it repaired but this year I decided I would treat myself and do so. Just got it back. ÂŁ225 for 'complete mechanical service' with 2 years guarantee.
What's the betting it breaks again after two years and a day?