Help with a Rolex

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

Hello all,

I've just got this as a gift for a Family member and would like to know a little more about it. Can anyone help?

All I currently know is that its a Rolex datejust, it has a Mother of Pearl dial with 10 8cut diamonds. The strap is gold plated in the centre. It is stamped 750 on the back of the head, so I assume that the Bezel is 18ct.

kevkojak · Oct 17, 2015

That looks like a wrong 'un to me.

An 'M' serial Rolex (2008) should have solid gold bracelet pieces I think, not plated. The text looks a bit iffy and there shouldn't be anything whatsoever on the caseback, a real one is totally plain.
Plus the cyclops lens looks a bit pi55ed as well.

Get it open sharpish and double check it's a Rolex movement. I hope I'm totally wrong (I usually am!) but I was selling these back in 2008 and this looks like a good effort at a snide.

Haggis · Oct 17, 2015

I agree, looks like a fake.

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

Thanks for the help. Can't get the back of myself so guess it will have to wait for Monday. I can deal with the strap not being original, more the head I am concerned with

The stamps on the back are on the lugs not the centre section

I took it to my local shop to a guy I know and he had no doubt of it being genuine :/

Haggis · Oct 17, 2015

Sell it to your local guy. Use a rubber ball to remove the case back,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STICKY-BALL-SCREW-WATCH-CASE-BACK-OPENER-OK-FOR-SCRAP-ING-GOLD-SILVER-DIAMOND-/111053612393?hash=item19db4fa569:m:mN3TmpwyHQRDokue5GvUEjw

PC-Magician · Oct 17, 2015

Not a Rolex expert but that looks wrong on more than one level.

kevkojak · Oct 17, 2015

Did the guy you know used to work in a Rolex AD? :laugh:

The back of the lugs should be plain. The only markings should be the ones between the lugs like you've shown.

Google M832118 and prepare yourself for disappointment as you will get a few dozen hits for various fake Rolex watches, it's apparently a commonly used number - must be a factory somewhere using that stamp on all their knock-offs.

Oh, and get yourself a new watch guy. If a professional jeweller didn't catch that one then... well. :whistling:

Haggis · Oct 17, 2015

The serial number is fake unless you have the one the Chinese copied. Sorry to burst your bubble. :bash:

andyclient · Oct 17, 2015

I'm with Kevin I didn't think Rolex did gold plated, I thought it was gold (yellow or white)or stainless The model no is a ladies date just so a look at the movement will reveal all

kevkojak · Oct 17, 2015

No need. Google that serial number, it's apparently a running joke with Rolex collectors that this same *unique* serial number keeps cropping up on fakes.

I am really very sorry to the OP, it's a horrible experience getting stitched up so I hope you bought it from a reputable source (i.e. money back!)

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

The chaps Mother passed away, he lives 3 miles away. Already spoken to him to warn him.

Are you 100% sure? Shall I take it else where to get checked?

Trigger · Oct 17, 2015

Crumbs. I wouldn't relish being that guy who returns a watch to a guy under these circumstances. But you have to look after yourself at the end of the day.

PC-Magician · Oct 17, 2015

Take it to an AD to be 100% sure, but as Kev is a dealer of this type of thing I am sure we have the answer already.

Haggis · Oct 17, 2015

PC-Magician said:
Take it to an AD to be 100% sure, but as Kev is a dealer I am sure we have the answer already.

I don't think Kev deals with Rolex, just Omegas. A great guy to deal with too.

phil_kod said:
The chaps Mother passed away, he lives 3 miles away. Already spoken to him to warn him.

Are you 100% sure? Shall I take it else where to get checked?

Why not take it to cash converters, they know a bargain when they see it. Does the box smell of roses? or cheap glue?

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

I found a little guide to fakes online. I poured water on the crystal to see if it pooled, apparently this is a sign of sapphire?

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

The diamonds are real. They are 8 cuts. My Partner is a Gold Smith by trade, unfortunately not a Horologist!

kevkojak · Oct 17, 2015

All well and good her being a goldsmith, but unless she has magic hands which reach through the glass then you are just guessing Phil - They use EXACTLY the same faceting for cubic zirconia, diamonds, white sapphires, moissanite....every gemstone, basically.

It'll be a 58 facet cut (standard brilliant round) in a Rolex diamond-dot dial. It is 100% impossible to tell from sight what stone is used, regardless how good a goldsmith she is.

Sadly they are too small to be of any value even if they turn out to be real diamonds, I could supply you eight of those from my scrap box for £40.

kevkojak · Oct 17, 2015

Chaps I'm not a watch dealer - at least nothing high end - but I worked in a Rolex AD before starting my own jewellers.

I am 99% sure this one is a not-right. Horrible circumstances there Phil, it might be an awkward conversation when you take it back.

BondandBigM · Oct 17, 2015

kevkojak said:
Haggis, if you want to ask me out on a date just ask - I might say yes.

He'll take you up a dodgy Glasgow back street and buy you a proper pint and don't ask me how I know this !!

:laugh: :laugh:

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

I spoke to the chap on the phone. He seems OK. Sound like money isn't a great issue for him. He's in contact with me this evening about another watch taht I am selling! We have each other's addresses etc. I am not afraid about awkwardness haha.

I appreciate everyones help. I shall take it to somewhere in the City tomorrow and hopefully get some answers.

kevkojak · Oct 17, 2015

Fingers crossed Phil. I hope it turns out to be straight but not looking promising. Hope you get your cash back, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

No worries at all! Appreciate the help! It's always a slight gamble! Win some lose some!

Shall let you know the outcome!

PC-Magician · Oct 17, 2015

Please do, if in doubt always ask on the forum and most importantly go to an AD for advice.

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

Have done a little google and Earnest Jones looks like an option

Shall take a trip there tomorrow

Haggis · Oct 17, 2015

I bet you can also see the hologram at 6 o'clock suspended in the glass. Remember the dealer will destroy a fake if you take it in, don't leave it for the other shop employee to view when he comes back from lunch. Hammer crunch whoops!!!!!!.

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

Sorry I don't understand, whats that about a hologram?

BondandBigM · Oct 17, 2015

The crystal/glass should have the Rolex crown etched on it at the six o'clock position, it's pretty much invisible to the naked eye but if you have a loop or magnifying glass in the right light you can see it

Haggis · Oct 17, 2015

Some fakes use batteries. Some cheap movements, some clone movements, tricky to see what you are looking at some times.

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

May mean its a fake but when I had the strap off I could just about feel the auto movement when I move the watch in my hand

andyclient · Oct 17, 2015

you need to get the back off like i said earlier , it will be obvious then

martinzx · Oct 17, 2015

No offence intended to anyone but that is bent as a hook, you can just tell by the looking at the pics, various factors. It is a fake.

Cheers Martin

phil_kod · Oct 17, 2015

Thats no problem gents! Appreciate the help

omegaman100 · Oct 20, 2015

100% fake

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