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Zoot

Old omega, issue.

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Hi folks on here, my 1st post.

I have been fortunate to have been handed down an old omega C1955. Its a Seamaster Automatic, & has some sort of weight mechanism inside. Recently the nice soft rubbery 'boing' the weight made/ I felt inside, was replaced by a metallic clonk instead, the rubbery cushion gone. Urgh.

 

Anyone any ideas? are these type of watches not meant for 'common as muck' chaps such as oneself to actually open the back?

 

Thanks, zoot.

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Hi 

Sounds, from your description, that one of the 2 springs on the auto winding rotor has dislodged.  These cushion the auto winding rotor when it swings backwards & forwards. 

Your ‘boing’, commonly known as a bumper movement, is now being replaced with a harsher knocking sensation/noise.

Pictures of the dial side, back & movement will help us be more definitive.

If so you will need to get it looked at before the miscreant part gets lodged somewhere & creates further damage ?

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Aha now I understand.. it felt rubbery, but a spring either side the weight bounces onto makes alot more sense of course. I'd imagine just resitting the springs might not be a big repair job either.. unless buried beneath all sorts of other bits 'n bobs I guess.

 

Is it feasable for a user to have a look inside the back of such a watch? or is this just a no-no. I'll put up a photo tmrw.

 

Thanks alot-

 

Zoot

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36 minutes ago, Zoot said:

 

 

Is it feasable for a user to have a look inside the back of such a watch? or is this just a no-no. I'll put up a photo tmrw.

 

Thanks alot-

 

Zoot

Only if you really know what you're about. Otherwise you could quite easily do a lot of damage. I know through experience. :)

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Does sound like a dislodged "Buffer spring". If you get stuck. Give me a shout. Warning, if you are not sure what you are doing don't touch the movement.

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Hi chaps, thanks for replies: Ok I won't be opening the back then.

 

In terms of repair, assuming as it seems to be one or both "buffer springs" dislodged, is this a quick fix that say wouldn't likely to whack up the price of a 'clean'? The kind donor of the watch to me, has insisted it had a clean done (not used for many years.. tho was keeping remarkably good time despite this inactivity up until 'boing when clonk') when he handed it down to me.

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20 hours ago, Zoot said:

Hi folks on here, my 1st post.

I have been fortunate to have been handed down an old omega C1955. Its a Seamaster Automatic, & has some sort of weight mechanism inside. Recently the nice soft rubbery 'boing' the weight made/ I felt inside, was replaced by a metallic clonk instead, the rubbery cushion gone. Urgh.

 

Anyone any ideas? are these type of watches not meant for 'common as muck' chaps such as oneself to actually open the back?

 

Thanks, zoot.

Contact @simon2 at www.essexclockandwatchclinic.com he should be able to help

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Ah ok, I was thinking of somewhere I could personally take it.. which is not so easy being in a rural area, with no omega-endorsed retailer/ shop for 80-100 miles. Im in west of UK.

My local, oldy-woldy shop in town said they can't service omegas. And as to sending via however-safe a method, courier or post.. I'd be having kittens doing this, being an invaluable item handed down its somewhat of a 'priceless' item.

 

What are your thoughts chaps on the options as to getting this remedied, & cleaned at the same time too?

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3 minutes ago, Zoot said:

Ah ok, I was thinking of somewhere I could personally take it.. which is not so easy being in a rural area, with no omega-endorsed retailer/ shop for 80-100 miles. Im in west of UK.

My local, oldy-woldy shop in town said they can't service omegas. And as to sending via however-safe a method, courier or post.. I'd be having kittens doing this, being an invaluable item handed down its somewhat of a 'priceless' item.

 

What are your thoughts chaps on the options as to getting this remedied, & cleaned at the same time too?

Excellent idea,just sent my sons 1954 Omega seamaster for a clean and service.

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But where/ what are your thoughts as to where it should go?.. so you actually sent it via RM-?

I just want to understand this weight mechanism basics. I have here a photo taken from www, of inside of a similar 'bumper' omega circa similar  age I think.

Is the weight bit ,the large brass section on the RHS? & this weight seems to pivot on the centre grey bracket.. swinging right around ~half of the case periphery?

I like to get a visual idea of what the basic logistics are.. hang on how do I add a photo?

 

 

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Ok, let’s cut to the chase.

You have been gifted an vintage Omega ‘bumper’ automatic which is currently damaged/not functioning correctly, along with no personal experience/knowledge on how to repair, source parts yourself ?

Safe to say that any member here would recommend sending by RM, courier, or to take personally to a ‘competent’ watchmaker.

You could contact the BHI or, as I would strongly recommend, the British Watch & Clockmakers Guild for a recommended repairer. They invariably give a quote on what will be entailed & costs when received at their workshops.

Don’t expect the repair, along with a highly probable service, to be done for a few quid, a ‘competent’ watchmaker has spent many years acquiring these skills!

Under no circumstances take it to your local Timpsons, they are known for their cobbling. :yes:

Good luck

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1 hour ago, Zoot said:

Ah ok, I was thinking of somewhere I could personally take it.. which is not so easy being in a rural area, with no omega-endorsed retailer/ shop for 80-100 miles. Im in west of UK.

My local, oldy-woldy shop in town said they can't service omegas. And as to sending via however-safe a method, courier or post.. I'd be having kittens doing this, being an invaluable item handed down its somewhat of a 'priceless' item.

 

What are your thoughts chaps on the options as to getting this remedied, & cleaned at the same time too?

Sending a watch by Special Delivery is easy enough, I do it all the time, wrap plenty of bubble wrap around the watch and pop it into one of the Royal Mail's Special Delivery bags that the post office should have,

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Understood chaps. I was only ever going to have it cleaned by an omega-endorsed place, & knew it would be a hefty £150+ bill.. but, the idea of sending such a watch RM registered, still carries a tiny chance of loss doesn't it? & with it maybe being worth £500, let's say minimum, I don't know how anyone could take the risk frankly (especially if it has sentimental 'invalueable-ness').

 

Thoughts please, thanks zoot

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Used RMSD many times (with appropriate insurance), never had a problem with delivery.

Have also sent timepieces worth considerably more overseas, again never had a problem!

 

If you are not comfortable taking a “tiny chance”  on the above experienced advice...you could always just stare at it in a drawer ?

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Ok point taken (but isn't everything sent in monaco worth minimum £500?!). Ive never considered sending such value before you see, via post, & also if its got 'to omega dealer' on packet too.. surely its almost asking for trouble.

Are these watches designed to be opened (IE the back removed) -only- by a professional? are they designed to prevent the user opening them? I can't see any typical 'indent' on the steel back to prize it off. I'm not going to try, poking about etc/ don't worry.. I'm just curious.

 

thanks zoot

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@Zoot

As for Omega they won't service it and it will probably be sent to Swiss Time Services in Essex which is where most old Omega watches are sent. For an Omega older than 25 years a service will be £450 plus any major parts. For a partial repair i.e. replacing a part, you will have to send (or take) the watch to them and they will quote.

@Simon2 is a very experienced watch repairer who specialises in older models and will be a lot cheaper than Omega he is also in Essex as I said above.  

11 minutes ago, Zoot said:

Ok point taken (but isn't everything sent in monaco worth minimum £500?!). Ive never considered sending such value before you see, via post, & also if its got 'to omega dealer' on packet too.. surely its almost asking for trouble.

Are these watches designed to be opened (IE the back removed) -only- by a professional? are they designed to prevent the user opening them? I can't see any typical 'indent' on the steel back to prize it off. I'm not going to try, poking about etc/ don't worry.. I'm just curious.

 

thanks zoot

*sigh*

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Christ on a bike £450 minimum?!! ok that rules it out as I cannot afford even half that (to spend on a new watch let alone to minor fix & clean a 55 yr old one). The last clean cost him £130, 10 yrs ago. Prior to this weight spring going, I thought maybe £175, adding simply inflation.

 

thanks zoot

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13 hours ago, Zoot said:

Christ on a bike £450 minimum?!! 

 

thanks zoot

That's why I suggested @simon2

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Ok understood- I've PM'd him & appreciate the suggestions & info chaps.

FWIW it was last cleaned in '01.. & been in a drawer, w'out use, more or less bar a year or so, from then right up until now.

I'm not sure if anyone might guage whether this might mean it should be is as clean now as then, due to the inactivity? in which case/ if so then I wonder if it would -only just- need this spring re-positioned. Nothing more. Surely that couldn't be more than 1/2 work time.

 

thanks zoot

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21 hours ago, Zoot said:

being an invaluable item handed down its somewhat of a 'priceless' item.

Get it done once, and get it done right. The other alternative is to do what I do with an old and priceless watch that I don't want to spend the money on at the moment. Leave it as it is in the drawer. One day I might have the desire to get it fixed, and until then, it won't be going anywhere. If it costs as much as £450 to get it serviced/repaired by a competent watchmaker, you will get your watch back with some form of guarantee, and it shouldn't need looking at for five years or so. That works out at £7.50 a month or around 0.25p per day.

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I think some reality needs to be faced up to here. Watch servicing costs have skyrocketed in the past few years thanks to Omega and others such as Rolex etc restricting supply ie preventing purchase of genuine parts. A mainspring for a bumper for instance is no longer available to buy. There are alternatives that fit but as a watchmaker, unless you are Omega accredited you are SOOL if you want a genuine one, unless you have one put by of course or have a back channel. Realistically you have a watch which in steel is worth maybe £500 when working well, which could cost you £250-450 to get working. Vintage watches often do not make economic sense to keep in working order.

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Sorry I am a bit late with this but I have to contact you as I have been buying a couple Omega's of eBay recently, firstly the price of your watch in it's present condition on there you would be lucky to get £200 for it, repaired serviced you could double or triple that depending on overall condition.

Send it to Simon you could be surprised at his repair costs I know I was and if it is too much he will return it to you at cost.

Royal Mail signed for with £500 insurance is £5 to £10 one way depending on weight.

Hope this helps.

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