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#16 OFFLINE   Andy

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Posted 24 June 2003 - 06:54 PM

Neil I'm not particularly fussy about watches.
My Speedy gains 15 secs sometimes more a day and I couldn't care less.
Having a seconds hand that doesn't line up though is a sign of laziness in the manufacturing process because it can be achieved. Well if Seiko can achieve it with the watch currently in my hand that cost less than £50 then a company like Omega should be able to surely.
I do agree that we can end up being fussy to the point of spoiling our enjoyment of these things but I think that demanding a certain attention to detail, that even cheaper brands give, is a perfectly healthy attitude when selecting a watch in this price range.

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 06:25 AM

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Everybody has different criteria when assessing watches.

Frankly I would be more concerned at a new Speedy that was out by 15 seconds a day than a slight deviation of a second hand on a quartz dial.

The only quartz I can go by is my SMP and the second hand has always lined up perfectly so I'm only going by hearsay on these other watches previously stated.

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 07:46 AM

I agree that +15 seconds a day is not good and yet another example of factory indifference to attention to finer detail. Especially when I (and other forum members I'm sure) have relatively cheap mechs that are more accurate. Companys like Omega base there reputation, and indeed prices on there build quality and attention to detail.
The accuracy thing does not bother me as it's not something that I can see everytime I look at the time.

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 08:31 AM

I think 15 s per day is far too much for a Speedy.
It should be regulated to no more than 3 s per day in my opinion!
I'm sticking to my guns on quartz second hand line ups though, especially on an Omega!
A girl in Goldsmiths told me they were meant to be lined up inbetween the markers, so you could read to 0.5 s!!! I wasn't kidding or exaggerating about my engaging sessions in the shop over this issue. I meant it!

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 08:44 AM

neil, on Jun 24 2003, 06:21 PM, said:


Worry over watches seems to be a prevalent attitude, I see it all the time on forums.
I suppose people think they've spent a lot on a watch, they expect perfection.
Actually if one watch is 10 times the price of another it certainly won't be 10 times better!
I sometimes think some people would be better off with cheap watches then they wouldn't worry so much!  :(

Well said Neil!!!

I think it can be too easy to get "real anal" over the little imperfections that may show up from time to time :D

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 07:10 PM

Re: second hand line up with markers on an Omega quartz.

I think that an Omega should be spot on, as does Andy, and Roy also thinks they should be in line as indicated in his earlier post. That's none of us being anal chris, which I think is inappropriate terminology, but several of us expecting better from Omega when this happens, as this type of imperfection should not show up in a watch of the quality of an Omega.
People are entitled to that little bit of extra attention to detail when paying for higher end quality watches.

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 08:34 PM

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I think it can be too easy to get "real anal" over the little imperfections that may show up from time to time


I believe chrisb meant the term to describe being an extreme perfectionist. I didn't detect a ball busting or insulting tone in his post.

My memory isn't as good as it used to be but I believe there was a discussion on quartz second hand alignnment on thepurists.com a while basck. I'll go back & take another look for it. I'm not saying they know more than we do, I'm just saying we might all learn from others' opinions.

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 09:57 AM

Usmike,
The point is......... expecting a second hand to line up on such as an Omega quartz watch is not being a perfectionist at all!. It's about as basic as you can get in your expectation of a high end quality Swiss watch.
If you're telling me you'd happily buy out of a high st. retailers window an Omega Seamaster quartz with a second hand out of alignment, when the one next to it is perfectly in line, then I would find that utterly astonishing!!
It's the utter basic right to expect attention to detail on a high end Swiss quartz watch.

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 11:38 AM

Hi all

I don't own many quartz watches (excluding my military collection) as I'm not a big fan of them. That's not to say there's anything worng with them, I just prefer mechanical movements. After reading this thread, I thought I'd check my Tag F1 to see if the second hand lines up with the markers. It doesn't, but I can't say I'd noticed it before so it can't have been a major concern to me. To be frank, I don't usually look at the seconds hand of a quartz watch - it's just not much to look at compared to the nice smooth sweep of a high beat automatic, for example. Quartz, generally being very accurate, means the only real function of the second hand, for me, is to tell me that the battery hasn't run out ;)

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 12:10 PM

Hi All,

USMike, on Jun 25 2003, 09:34 PM, said:


I believe chrisb meant the term to describe being an extreme perfectionist.  I didn't detect a ball busting or insulting tone in his post.


Exactly right Mike :)

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 02:01 PM

Sorry no!!
A photographer uses his second hand to time an exposure.
If the second hand doesn't line up with the markers, he suddenly gets the exposure wrong because he forgets whether the timing starts with the half second fast or half second slow.
The same with timing a race.
Does anyone want a quartz chronograph where the second hand is not lining up, and how many of you would buy one like that!?
It is not being an extreme perfectionist at all! The markers are there, and meant to be there, for the second hand to line up.
I can't for the life of me understand anyone not agreeing with this, and simply admit the high end Swiss watches should line up, considering the high amount being paid for a quartz watch! I wont touch with a barge pole any quartz watch that wont do this. :huh:

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 03:58 PM

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A photographer uses his second hand to time an exposure.
If the second hand doesn't line up with the markers, he suddenly gets the exposure wrong because he forgets whether the timing starts with the half second fast or half second slow.
The same with timing a race.
Does anyone want a quartz chronograph where the second hand is not lining up, and how many of you would buy one like that!?

In applications where the tolerances are presumably so fine, my obvious choice of tool watch for such jobs would be a digital chronograph.

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 04:14 PM

Can we think about this parallax thing a little bit more? For the second hand to be "in alignment" it seems like most of you would say that the viewing angle to check for this would be 90 degrees. How many of us when we glance at our watch are actually lookng at it with a 90 degree angle? Perhaps some watch companies have looked at watch usage and gathered an "average viewing angle" from experience and aligned the second hand to that. No matter how bad you think your second hand is "out of alignment" when viewed at some angle it is certainly "in alignment".

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 11:39 PM

I agree with Andy and Griff. On a quartz watch failing to achieve the relatively simple engineering task of aligning the second hand movements with the indices is just plain shoddy. It's not being anal, the indices serve as markers to judge the position of the second hand, if the second hand is never actually on the bloody marker... you get my drift.
A Citizen chrono I had did this and it always annoyed me, was not a cheap watch for me at the time either. Seiko generally are spot on.

I have to say, as a prospective purchaser of a new Speedy, sapphire getting on for £2000 on the high street, I would be less than thrilled at +15s/day.

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 11:42 PM

Forget about parallax error, this phenomenon does not excuse poor quality control.
When I choose to look at my watch straight on I want it all lined up.





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