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#1 OFFLINE   Dazzer

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:54 PM

After being on the forum for a short while now I have seen quite a few Shturmanskie Chronograph's and I have been quite taken by them. Been looking at the Russian watch sites on the web etc and monitoring the bay.
One on the bay has popped up on my radar but it's fitted with a rotating bezel I have not seen before and I'm concerned it's a Frankenwatch. Everything else on the watch looks good. The seller appears to have good feedback, although not head of him before in the Russian watch circuit.
What do you think guys ? Also can you deduce it's age from the images ?

Item no. 260940193623

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#2 OFFLINE   mach 0.0013137

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 07:12 PM

Here`s a couple of similar Sturmy`s owned by members of the forum...


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Posted ImageKutusov, on 17 January 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

This one the whole day

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I guess I'll join you. It wasn't easy. I decided to take a new picture,
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Later,
William

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Edited by mach 0.0013137, 30 January 2012 - 07:16 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:17 PM

Cheers for the reply Mach.
So it would appear this is a fraken, it's the only example I can find with a minute marked bezel.
Ruscamera has one, but the sub dials have the wrong hands fitted.
The search continues…




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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:19 PM

The chapter ring seems to be the only non-original part... and still, I have this nagging feeling I've seen one like that before so I won't say that for sure.

I wouldn't let that stop me from getting it if you like it. It's a reasonable price and it's a watch that has obliviously had some work done to it (crystal is new as they are usually pretty scratched) . Might not be a bad thing, the original watches are old watches (vintage, to be polite :D ), so this one can be in a much better condition than any 100% genuine. That and the fact that 100% genuine doesn't mean the same as for Swiss watches. There are so many variations with Russian watches that it's really hard to tell what's what.

Mind you that the one on RusCamera is in worst shape... hands and dial are a bit sun-burned and there's a bit nasty (and old) relume job done there. It's the real Air Force version though, with no crown at 9 and a 31659 hacking movement.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:40 PM

I did a google image search for this and there are a couple of examples with this type of bezel insert. I didn't dig into the origin of the photos though.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:43 PM

What search terms did you used? I tried and came up empty although your finds confirm my feeling...

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:48 PM

Ok, found it... Mark Gordon's number 0186 http://ussrtime.com/start.html.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:36 PM

The fact the bezel is now known to be a Poljot part makes me happy.
I thought it had to be to fit In the case, I was worried it was a third party item.
My original google image search came up with no hits on this bezel.
So I have just purchased it :) My second 3133 watch.

The Ruscamera are was looking at was this one : 370576472560. I think this is a standard 3133 and not the hacking movement.
But the fact the sundial hands were wrong really turned me off it. I love the detail on the hand on the sundial at 3.

I was also looking at a hacking example: 110815312539 this looked in good condition, but bidding was starting just out of my budget at the momment.

Thanks for you help gentlemen.
I now just have to keep it under the radar of the 710.

Daz.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:04 AM

Congrats on your new watch! :thumbup:

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 05:33 AM

View PostKutusov, on 30 January 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

... and still, I have this nagging feeling I've seen one like that before so I won't say that for sure.

View PostDazzer, on 30 January 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

The fact the bezel is now known to be a Poljot part makes me happy.

I'm not sure, but I think I've seen one with this Bezel and the grey dial in Levenberg's catalogue. However, since the better half last tidied up I can't find the catalogue anywhere so I can't confirm that. Will update if I find it.


View PostDazzer, on 30 January 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

So I have just purchased it :) My second 3133 watch.

Congratulations from me too!

-wotsch

Edited by wotsch, 31 January 2012 - 05:35 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 10:42 AM

Congratulations! You've got a beauty :thumbup:

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:42 AM

congrats but its a hard one to keep under the radar.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:53 PM

Thanks for the congratulations everyone. :thumbup:
When the watch arrives I'll post the obligatory wrist shot.
Too be honest keeping it under the radar of the 710 is unlikely, she's an ex-financial para-planner so she handles our banking. :wallbash:
But she has been guilty of the odd unauthorised purchase, I have plenty of ammunition left.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:07 PM

View Postbsa, on 31 January 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

congrats but its a hard one to keep under the radar.

Gentlemen, try this.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:34 PM

View PostDazzer, on 31 January 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Thanks for the congratulations everyone. :thumbup:
When the watch arrives I'll post the obligatory wrist shot.
Too be honest keeping it under the radar of the 710 is unlikely, she's an ex-financial para-planner so she handles our banking. :wallbash:
But she has been guilty of the odd unauthorised purchase, I have plenty of ammunition left.

Nice watch, looking forward to some pictures :)





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