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Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38 FrankenThe latest mis-constructed classic quartz chrono found on eBay


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Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:07 PM

View Postavidfan, on 11 April 2011 - 11:47 AM, said:

At the end of the day we all wear what we like, I've seen a couple of frankens that I quite like the look of-would I buy one?
Yes, if it's a fair price.
The point of this thread though is to try and warn people about them, I would be extremely p***ed off if I bought a franken believing it to be a genuine watch-especially if I paid a premium price because of it's scarcity!
Indeed. :wink:

I'm not afraid of admitting that two years ago, when I was still very much a '7A38 Newbie', :blush:
I bought a 7A38 Franken from non other than arch-watch-botchers 'SpeedTimerKollection' :butcher:

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 16 March 2009 - 11:34 AM, said:

I've got one of those incoming myself (hopefully sometime this week) from an eBay seller in Spain:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/Seiko%207A38/7A38-7020-StainlessGoldBlack-eBay-M.jpg

Both of our watches rather different to the more common gunmetal grey-coloured faced 7A38-7020's I'm used to seeing ....
I had no idea (back then) that it was a Franken - and was actually quite pleased with it, at the time. :rolleyes:

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 11 April 2011 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:59 PM

:oops: I've gone and 'turned the page' on myself again. :rolleyes:

Anybody interested in reading about the latest 7A38 Franken to surface in 'the Bay' (rather than my faux pas) ....

Go back to Post # 147 on the previous page. :wink:

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 11 April 2011 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 04:12 AM

Not exactly a Franken, as such ....
But then not quite as 'original' as the Filipino eBay seller describes it either, so worthy of mentioning ....

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SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH MEN'S WATCH 7A38-7260, NR

YOU ARE BIDDING ON A RARE AND COLLECTIBLE SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH
DAY/DATE MEN'S WATCH IN STAINLESS STEEL.. GRAY DIAL.. 7A38-7260

COMES WITH THE ORIGINAL SEIKO SQ 2-TONE BRACELET, READY TO WEAR!
ACTUAL PHOTOS OF THE WATCH ARE PROVIDED.


http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7260-StainlessGold-GreyFace-FittedG1285D7A38-7250Bracelet-eBay-April2011-1.jpg

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PRE-OWNED AND RARE SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH DAY/DATE MEN'S WATCH 7A38-7260
STAINLESS STEEL CASE MEASURING APPROXIMATELY 40MMX42MM, WITHOUT CROWN AND FROM LUG TO LUG
GRAY DIAL
ORIGINAL HANDS
ORIGINAL GOLD CROWN (AGED) AND STAINLESS PUSHERS
QUICKSET DAY/DATE AT 3 O'CLOCK
ORIGINAL BUFFED CRYSTAL
PLAIN BEZEL, INNER TACHYMETER BEZEL
SEIKO 7A38 QUARTZ MOVEMENT, KEEPS CORRECT TIME; CHRONOGRAPH FUNCTIONS CORRECTLY, STARTS/STOPS/RESETS
STAINLESS STEEL BACK CASE 7A38-7260.. SERIAL NO. 785265 (AUGUST 1888)
SEIKO 2-TONE BRACELET, FITS A 7 INCH WRIST APPROX.
So where do we start ? :unsure: How about BEZEL MISALIGNMENT FOUL !!! :protest: This is a fixed bezel, of course. :rolleyes:
The watch-botcher has obviously removed it to polish off the remaining traces of worn original gold plating (outside only).
He's then replaced it 90° out of kilter. The bezel on these is elliptical, and should be aligned with shape of the case.

The hands are quite possibly the originals, but if so, they've been polished, removing their black painted areas.

The 7A38-7260 model itself never came on a bracelet; they were all factory fitted with leather straps.
Though other models using the same watch case did, such as the 7A38-7240 / -724A / -7250 and 725A.

Actually if you look at some of the seller's later photos, such as this one:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7260-StainlessGold-GreyFace-FittedG1285D7A38-7250Bracelet-eBay-April2011-13.jpg

It's not too hard to figure out which 7A38 model the bracelet originally came off. :butcher:
The lugs are stamped G1285.E, but this is a G1285D bracelet off a 7A38-7250.
A 7A38-7250 is coated all over in a very light Gunmetal finish, which, in some light almost looks Lilac. :oops:

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 15 April 2011 - 04:21 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 04:38 AM

Belated postscript:

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 15 April 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:

The hands are quite possibly the originals, but if so, they've been polished, removing their black painted areas.
Here's what the hands on a silver-grey faced 7A38-7260 should look like. Photo also shows the correct bezel positioning:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/P1040500-Resized.jpg

The light grey Lizard strap is one I have fitted - personal choice. :tongue2:
The original strap would have been plain grey leather, triple-stitched, as shown in this Seiko catalogue illustration:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7260-StainlessGold-SilverGreyF.jpg

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 09:52 PM

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 15 April 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:

Not exactly a Franken, as such ....
But then not quite as 'original' as the Filipino eBay seller describes it either, so worthy of mentioning ....

The 7A38-7260 model itself never came on a bracelet; they were all factory fitted with leather straps.
Though other models using the same watch case did, such as the 7A38-7240 / -724A / -7250 and 725A.

Actually if you look at some of the seller's later photos, such as this one:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7260-StainlessGold-GreyFace-FittedG1285D7A38-7250Bracelet-eBay-April2011-13.jpg

It's not too hard to figure out which 7A38 model the bracelet originally came off. :butcher:
The lugs are stamped G1285.E, but this is a G1285D bracelet off a 7A38-7250.
A 7A38-7250 is coated all over in a very light Gunmetal finish, which, in some light almost looks Lilac. :oops:
Unbelievable. :thumbsdown: Dunno how these Filipino eBay sellers do it :unsure:, but that travesty of a 7A38 still made $117.50 after 14 bids. :wallbash:
See: http://offer.ebay.co...em=110674656851 All I can think is someone must have been looking for a bracelet for a 7A38-7250. :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 09:00 AM

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 18 April 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

Unbelievable. :thumbsdown: .... All I can think is someone must have been looking for a bracelet for a 7A38-7250. :rolleyes:
Now this IS unbelieveable. :groan:
Just over a week after that auction, the same Filipino eBay seller 'apol_of_your_eyes', goes and lists this:

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SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH MEN'S WATCH 7A38-7250, NR

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7250-LeatherStrap-eBay-April2011-1.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7250-LeatherStrap-eBay-April2011-9.jpg

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COMES WITH A NEW AFTERMARKET LEATHER BRACELET, READY TO WEAR!
This must be the 7A38-7250 which (incorrectly) donated it's G1285D bracelet to the previous 7A38-7260. :butcher:
The Filipino watch botcher obviously doesn't realize (or care) how rare the original (correct) 7A38-7250 is ! :cray:

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:29 AM

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 23 April 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

The Filipino watch botcher obviously doesn't realize (or care) how rare the original (correct) 7A38-7250 is ! :cray:
No apologies for continuing my rant against this particular Filipino watch-botcher. :taz:
I've checked back through my records, and in 2½ years of scouring eBay, I've only ever seen TWO 7A38-7250's before.

This one, below, offered by José Sotto a.k.a. 'watchcooking' on eBay, back in July 2009:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7250-eBay-July2009-7.jpg

Complete with original G1285D bracelet, not messed with, but generally looking a little tired. I very nearly bid on it, IIRC. :unsure:

And this one, N.O.S. with tags, which I bought in a job lot of 3, off eBay in the States, back in October 2009:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7250-inLot3-eBay-Oct2009.jpg

It's pretty hard to capture the true colours of that lilac-hued light gunmetal coating and the metallic beige dial :photo: ....
But here's what a 7A38-7250 SAA080J should look like:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7250-SAA080J-P1040605.jpg

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 23 April 2011 - 10:35 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2011 - 02:38 PM

Here we go again :rolleyes: .... it's Franken Friday. :scared:

Actually, this one's not so bad, but worthy of mention in view of the eBay seller's rather ambitious Buy-it-Now asking price.

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7A38-702A SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH MID 80'S RARE

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-702A-StainlessGold-WrongBracelet-eBay-May2011-1.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-702A-StainlessGold-WrongBracelet-eBay-May2011-3.jpg

(Note: the 7A38-702A case-back stampings appear to have been almost erased in the second photo).

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YOU ARE BIDDING ON A RARE AND COLLECTIBLE SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH DAY/DATE MEN'S WATCH. iT KEEPS GOOD TIME, AND IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION FOR IT'S AGE (MID 1980'S). THIS WAS ONE OF SEIKO'S FIRST 17 JEWEL QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENTS AND IS A VERY COLLECTABE WATCH. IT HAS BEEN WELL CARED FOR AND IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION.
Well for starters, the 7A38-702A, and it's identical twin, the 7A38-702H are not rare at all.
They're one of the more commonly seen variants and turn up quite frequently on eBay in the States ....
where this particular one is on offer. Often as not they sell in the $75-$100 range, dependant upon condition.
This seller is asking $175 as a Buy-it-Now. :shocking: So I hope nobody falls for it, because of the price. :groan:

The seller doesn't actually make any claims for the watch's originality. Which is just as well, really. :dontgetit:
The once gold-plated bezel has had all its plating stripped or polished off, and the integrated bracelet is non-original.

It would have originally looked like this (a mint boxed N.O.S. example offered by Singapore dealer Y-M Koh last year ):

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-702A-StainlessGold-KohY-M-ForSaleWUS-April2010-1.jpg

Better comparison perhaps is this one in nice lightly used condition offered on eBay in Italy in December last year:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-702A-StainlessGold-eBay-Dec2010-2.jpg

IIRC, that one sold for 80 Euros. Nearly bought it myself, but couldn't justify another. :naughty:

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 06 May 2011 - 02:51 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2011 - 11:06 AM

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 06 May 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

This seller is asking $175 as a Buy-it-Now. :shocking: So I hope nobody falls for it, because of the price. :groan:

The seller doesn't actually make any claims for the watch's originality. Which is just as well, really. :dontgetit:
The once gold-plated bezel has had all its plating stripped or polished off, and the integrated bracelet is non-original.
Somebody fell for it ! :wallbash: Sold for $150 sometime over the weekend. :duh:
See: http://cgi.ebay.com/...item= Oh well, I tried. :sadwalk:

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 09 May 2011 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2011 - 11:21 AM

doesn't seem a huge amount of money for a pretty nice watch to me...

(I wasn't the buyer btw)

Edited by Moustachio, 09 May 2011 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted 11 May 2011 - 04:12 PM

This is by means of a somewhat belated postscript. :dontgetit:

Back in October last year, Skip flagged this 7A38-7010 'Franken' in another thread ....
and I replied to it there, but later copied and pasted my reply in post #83 of this thread.

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 06 October 2010 - 01:41 PM, said:

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 03 October 2010 - 06:07 PM, said:

The seller, Mike Mounce also has that 7A38 listed on the Seiko & Citizen Trading Post.
Slightly lower price on there, too. :lookaround: I already sent him an email about it, yesterday. :wink:

>> Effectively, it's a 7A38-7010, fitted with an incorrect case-back off a 7A38-7180. :( <<
Also, although it appears similar, the bracelet isn't the correct one for a 7A38-7010, either.
Noticed the seller has now dropped Buy-it-Now price from $175 to $120, in the hope of tempting a buyer. :lookaround:

He's also added this rider to his listing description:

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Interested parties responsibility to ask all questions before bidding.
This just shows you that I'm human, occasionally miss things :blush:
and that I'm still learning about more these watches all the time. :wink:

The original eBay listing # 320598891817 has long since dropped off 'history'.
The SCWF advert is still there, but the remotely hosted photos have been deleted.

See: http://www.thewatchs...3.msg49355.html

I didn't upload the seller's photos at the time, so here's 3 out of the 5 of them:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongBracelet7A38-7180CaseBack-ForSale-SCWF-Oct2010-MikeMounce-1.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongBracelet7A38-7180CaseBack-ForSale-SCWF-Oct2010-MikeMounce-4.jpghttp://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongBracelet7A38-7180CaseBack-ForSale-SCWF-Oct2010-MikeMounce-5.jpg

Not such a bad looking watch, really - even if it is a 'wrong 'un', especially at the final SCWF asking price of $110.

Now compare it with this - Hung 'Time2Fly' Pham's minty example:

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Notice anything ? :unsure: How about the colour of the Day / Date windows :shocking:

I recently checked through the 100+ photos of 7A38-7010's that I had on file.
All the others have Black lettering on White background Day and Date wheels.
Only the aforementioned Franken, with the 7A38-7180 case-back had White lettering on Black.

How come ? :dontgetit: Because not only did this watch have the wrong case-back fitted,
but it now appears (to me) extremely likely that it had also received a movement swap. :hammer:
The black chrome coated 7A38-7180 uses White on Black background Day / Date wheels. :wink:

Edit: Just noticed that the 7A38-7010 'Franken' also had a mis-matched / mis-placed 30 minute sub-dial hand too. :grin:

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 11 May 2011 - 04:24 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2011 - 04:17 PM

have you any pics with after market bracelets on these?? im not that keen on this style.....

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 04:48 PM

View Postmrteatime, on 11 May 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

have you any pics with after market bracelets on these?? im not that keen on this style.....
Hardly any at all, sorry, Shawn. :(

Most people who fit substitute bracelets to 7A38-701x's in place of the original Seiko p/n Z1118S,
tend to go for something very similar looking to the original bracelet, such as Seiko p/n B1688S.

One of the first 7A38-7010's I came across, fitted with a 'wrong' bracelet was offered for sale on RLT:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongBracelet-RLT.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongBracelet-Wrist2.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongBracelet-Wrist1.jpg

Not sure exactly which bracelet it is, but with those 'hinges', it looks like it could be a
Seiko p/n B1075S off a 7A28-7040/-7049 or a p/n B1241S off a 7A38-7070 - or suchlike.

With this watch-case, you're very limited as to what will fit, with the restrictive 20mm boxed in lugs.

Edited by SEIKO7A38Fan, 11 May 2011 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2011 - 05:03 PM

View Postmrteatime, on 11 May 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

have you any pics with after market bracelets on these?? im not that keen on this style.....

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 11 May 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

With this watch-case, you're very limited as to what will fit, with the restrictive 20mm boxed in lugs.
I've seen a couple of people trying straps on them, but whatever used, they need to have a pretty slim fitting:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongStrapBlackLeather-SCWF-April2009-2.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongStrapBlackLeather-SCWF-April2009-4.jpg

Here's another one. :yucky: Obviously fitted by someone who was totally colour-blind :blind:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-YellowNATOstrap-eBay-June2009-1.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-YellowNATOstrap-eBay-June2009-2.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-YellowNATOstrap-eBay-June2009-3.jpg

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 06:41 PM

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 11 May 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

View Postmrteatime, on 11 May 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

have you any pics with after market bracelets on these?? im not that keen on this style.....

View PostSEIKO7A38Fan, on 11 May 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

With this watch-case, you're very limited as to what will fit, with the restrictive 20mm boxed in lugs.
I've seen a couple of people trying straps on them, but whatever used, they need to have a pretty slim fitting:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongStrapBlackLeather-SCWF-April2009-2.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-WrongStrapBlackLeather-SCWF-April2009-4.jpg

Here's another one. :yucky: Obviously fitted by someone who was totally colour-blind :blind:

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-YellowNATOstrap-eBay-June2009-1.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-YellowNATOstrap-eBay-June2009-2.jpg
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu124/P4Replica/7A38-7010-StainlessBlack-YellowNATOstrap-eBay-June2009-3.jpg

Now, funnily enough.....that looks cool :D





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