Sturmanskie Chronograph, Poljot 3133 Movement

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As I've had a bit of time recently, I've done a little research on a recent acquisition - a Sturmanskie chronograph - and noted down a few details about it.

First, a couple of pictures:

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The watch has a Poljot 3133 hand-wound, 23 jewel, chronograph movement, running at 21600 bph and with a power reserve of 42 hours. I measured the accuracy over 48 hours to be a pretty linear -15s per day, which is well within specifications (see, for example, here). I've read that other forum members have much better accuracy (e.g. here), but I'm not sure that's to be expected for an old one. What are your experiences?

Here's the movement:

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This movement is nearly identical to Valjoux 7734, being produced on the same machines which were sold to Poljot in 1975 - there's more details in another thread here.

The watch has a rotating bezel under the glass, controlled by the crown on the left-hand side of the body. I'm not sure whether this is intended for measuring elapsed time (like a diver's watch bezel) or for being able to quickly see the time in a different time-zone - both are possible. Any ideas which is the intended purpose?

The previous owner told me he bought the watch in 1995 from a watchmaker in Poland, who he says was a specialist in Russian Poljot watches. It spent the next 16 years in his cupboard and was never worn and seldom wound. I have no idea if he bought the watch new or used, so if an expert can give me an idea of when the watch could have been produced, then I'd be very grateful.

I obtained the watch on a slightly rough Vostock leather strap, which I really like as it gives the watch a more authentic 70s/80s feel to it.

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The only anomaly I can see on the watch (but I'm no expert) is that the second-hand (which is always black in photos I've seen of this type of watch) seems to have been replaced by a red minute-counter hand.

I am really enjoying this watch and it's getting plenty of time on my wrist.

Hope you like it.

-wotsch

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Lovely looking watch - I've got a few Russian watches with that same movement and it's a real worker. The accuracy you're seeing is pretty much in line with what I see from my Poljot Chrono, which is the only one I've bothered checking for accuracy.

Oddly enough, I saw yours, thought "Nice watch, I wonder..." and fired up eBay (come on, don't tell me you don't do that!) and the first one I saw had a red second hand, not with a cross piece like yours, but red all the same. I prefer yours to the eBay one, btw, I'm still searching for the right Omega Flightmaster, so I like that style of hand anyway :)

Cheers

Richard

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Hi Richard,

thanks for the feedback, it's good to hear that the accuracy is OK.

re. the second hand. I actually meant the small second hand at 9 o'clock, should have been more clear ;-) As far as I have seen, the big timer second hand is always red.

BTW, I do that eBay thing too :-)

Edited by wotsch

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Lovely watch in excellent condition, you are correct the left sub dial second counter are normally in black, the Chrono counter with the cross on the end indicates its a re-issue from 1995, maybe sold under vostok hence the strap, but orginally by the 1stMoscow Watch factory Poljot.

You can look your watch up here & maybe find more info on Mark Godon's excellent site

http://ussrtime.com/start.html

Thanks for posting :thumbsup:

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The previous owner told me he bought the watch in 1995 from a watchmaker in Poland, who he says was a specialist in Russian Poljot watches. It spent the next 16 years in his cupboard and was never worn and seldom wound. I have no idea if he bought the watch new or used, so if an expert can give me an idea of when the watch could have been produced, then I'd be very grateful.

This dial, with no country-of-origin indicated, in combination with the old Shturmanskie chrono case with 2-piece back, bears out the previous owner's story. This watch would have been made in the earliest post-Soviet period in the first half of the 1990s. If I recall correctly, the snap-on caseback was becoming common for other models of Poljot chrono by 1995.

The watch has a rotating bezel under the glass, controlled by the crown on the left-hand side of the body. I'm not sure whether this is intended for measuring elapsed time (like a diver's watch bezel) or for being able to quickly see the time in a different time-zone - both are possible. Any ideas which is the intended purpose?

As you say, both uses are possible, and I've used this bezel type both ways on occasion. Given that half-hour marks are present, I would say that the designers considered the possibility of its use as an hour accumulator in combination with the 30 minute chronograph mechanism. By contrast, the later Shturmanskie-II chrono case (internal bezel with crown at 10 o'clock) has the bezel marked with hour numbers only.

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The second hand is the same as that used on the later Okeahs.

I like the 3133, and have a couple of old Sturmanskies; one issue and one commemorative navy piece.

Very nice watch!

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Nice piece, very OKEAH -ish, or maybe 'tother way round, maybe the OKEAH's are STURMANSKI-ish.

The grey dial is very appealing, there are not that many watches in that colourway! E N J O Y! :yes:

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Une autre poljot calibre Molnija 3105

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sturmanskie 3133

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sturmanskie 3133

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@danyel: lovely! Especially the one with the red star.

This one:

sturmanskie 3133

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is on my wish-list right up near the top, preferably with a cyrillic dial like the one shown here.

Cheers!

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sturmanskie 3133

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First time i think I have seen this one, it looks great :thumbsup:

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Well, just started to look at the possible purchase of my first rusky and there are a few nice chronos here.

Particuarly like the one with the cyrillic dial in the link posted above.

Thanks all for the pics.

Oddly enough, I saw yours, thought "Nice watch, I wonder..." and fired up eBay (come on, don't tell me you don't do that!)
- Count me in too :rofl2: Edited by tonyrsv

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Well, just started to look at the possible purchase of my first rusky and there are a few nice chronos here.

Particuarly like the one with the cyrillic dial in the link posted above.

Thanks all for the pics.

Oddly enough, I saw yours, thought "Nice watch, I wonder..." and fired up eBay (come on, don't tell me you don't do that!)
- Count me in too :rofl2:

:)

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Just acquired another Sturmanskie to keep the other one company. Here's a first photo taken with my phone:

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Sturmanski by wotsch, on Flickr

I'll take some better ones when the light is better and I have a bit of spare time.

This dial is a dark blue and the watch came with a Poljot steel armband that's a little lightweigt, but in perfect condition. Otherwise, it has the same case and case back, same movement, same rotating bezel under the glass, same pushers etc.

-wotsch

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Hi guys,

Some very very nice Sturmanskies on display here. Thanks for sharing them with us.

However as well as the pleasure i got from seeing them, i got an itch to own one

(that happens a lot with stuff i see around here)

So it took no time at all to decide to pull the trigger when one came up in the SC.

This beauty arrived in less than a week from our friend in Macedonia, much to my delight.

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It's an 80's re-issue for the export market presumably. It has a little wabi, but that's just the way i like 'em.

It came on a Timefactors rally which is really comfy and suits the watch very well imo.

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It's a lovely watch which my rubbish pics do no justice too.

I'm an awful photographer at the best of times, and the domed acrylic and reflective dial make this all the more difficult.

I shall head over to the photography tips section asap.

Anyways .. the Russian collection grows. Many thanks to Martin for the sale and the speedy delivery.

Now i just need an Okeah to go with it.......

... and a Buran

.. and ..

Does it ever end ?

cheers

Nick

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Now i just need an Okeah to go with it.......

... and a Buran

.. and ..

Does it ever end ?

cheers

Nick

I missed this whole topic, somehow didn't get the notification! Some great watches here! ...and Nick: 1)you do need an Okeah; 2) No, it never ends :D Feeling the need for a Buran myself right now :whistle:

I have a few questions regarding your (Nick's and Ex-Martin's) Poljot though. You call it an early 80s reissue. Has their production been stopped until then? I would say that's an original Poljot: it's still a CCCP one and has the original case unlike the 2004 reissues (what I'm used to call a reissue). The difference in cases can be seen here from my recent work on my Okeah 2004 reissue.

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On the bottom there's an original Okeah/Sturmanskie case (kindly donated by Draygo) and the one on the top is the 2004 version. Note how there isn't a raised glass because the case is taller and the sides envelop the crystal.

Also, I know you said you like your wabi but it might be worth doing two easy things. First, trying to clean that residual glue on the 5 o'clock baton. Second, trying to get an original second hand for the subdial at 9. I don't know how easy it is to come across one but maybe it could be salvaged from a wrecked evilbay one?

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Fair point Kutusov :), sounds better mate

Enjoy Nick, looks great, love the wrist shot,

wear it in good health

Martin :thumbsup:

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Cheers fellas.

I am liking the Poljot very much - it's barely been off my wrist since it got here, despite the other arrivals it's had to contend with.

And... and here's the massive shock... my Mrs actually likes it very much too.

'Shabby chic' she calls it. I think i'll have to keep my eyes open for something similar-ish for her birthday.

If i remember. which is unlikely.

My apologies for constant referal to this model a re-issue. I think i misunderstood something i read.

Sturmanskies were only available to the public afer 1983, right? but had been in production for official use since sometime in the 70's ?

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Also, I know you said you like your wabi but it might be worth doing two easy things. First, trying to clean that residual glue on the 5 o'clock baton. Second, trying to get an original second hand for the subdial at 9. I don't know how easy it is to come across one but maybe it could be salvaged from a wrecked evilbay one?

Agree about the excess glue. It's no massive problem - i barely notice it unless the light hits it just right(wrong).

I was concerned that i'd need a solvent to shift the glue, which may spoil the dial ?

Then there's the distinct possiblity of me destroying something when trying to get to the dial. I've only had occasional success at that kind of thing. :hammer:

I have no problem waiting til it next needs a service and letting a professional sort it out.

but - what's the problem with the minute recorder hand?

I'm pretty sure it should be black ?? but i have been wrong soooo many times it's not funny ! Or is it something else?

I'll certainly keep an eye open for a scrapper\donor. Always best to have spares if poss.

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...minute recorder hand looks ok to me, ie. It's the same as on mine, isn't it? Or is it missing the 'barb'? Can be sure.

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One question to all: my glass isn't domed, it's tall, straight sided. Is this not normal/original?

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...minute recorder hand looks ok to me, ie. It's the same as on mine, isn't it? Or is it missing the 'barb'? Can be sure.

One question to all: my glass isn't domed, it's tall, straight sided. Is this not normal/original?

You and louiswu are both right, never noticed that myself but the Sturmanskie (and the original Okeah) do have different subdial hands... the one at 9 isn't barbed. So forget what I said. :blush2:

Regarding the glass, I have the notion that the initially navy and airforce issued had a straight mineral glass. Many of the civilian versions have it too but it's one of those things with Russian watches... this one might very well been produced with an acrylic crystal...

Edited by Kutusov

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but - what's the problem with the minute recorder hand?

I'm pretty sure it should be black ?? but i have been wrong soooo many times it's not funny ! Or is it something else?

See what i mean. I of course meant the second hand. The one on the left. At 9 o'clock. The black one.

My apologies again.

Very nice example you have there Draygo. Love the cyrillic logo.

I'd say the tall, flat-sided crystal is possibly aftermarket.

I have a vintage Seiko with a crystal like that and it's defo aftermarket ..but i like it more than the domed.

Is your glass or acrylic?

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I'd say the tall, flat-sided crystal is possibly aftermarket.

I have a vintage Seiko with a crystal like that and it's defo aftermarket ..but i like it more than the domed.

Is your glass or acrylic?

Acrylic. But I do like the tall straight sides... Then again, domed glass would be nice :D

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Of course none of the pics on Mark Gordon's site show profile view, so i dunno about the originality of the flat crystals.

I bow to Kutusov's superior knowlodge on this. Looking at the condition of the rest of your (Draygo's) Sturmanskie i would not be surprised to learn the acrylic was original.

I just spent some time perusing Sturmanksies on ussrtime. He refers to the 80's civilian versons as being 're-issues' of 70's military chronographs. There is a slight difference in the chrono mechanism apparantly. Though nothing as exciting as the hacking mod of the 31659

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