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RdBwatches

RdB watches, handcrafted from Italy

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RdBwatches    29

Hello, I'm Guido from RdB watches.

We have projected and realize a unique wrist watch starting from a hex nut and its screw.

I hope you'll enjoy and your comments on it will be welcome.

M24 is the name of the watch. Built on demand in Italy.

It has a swiss ETA movement, the case is 36mm.

Some pictures here, have a nice evening!

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deano1956    2,895

may be this should be in the kick-starter section , while it may not be a kick-starter project it may be a better place for a intro ?

Well , that's different to my eyes, they are what you call lugs :), white dial / bracelet would be my choice ,

so questions,

how long is the build time from order, what kind of price point aree the pieces?

deano

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RdBwatches    29

Thanks for the response Deano.

Good choice...I personally wear an M24 in white dial....note that that is a test dial....the definitive version is shown in the picture with the boxes watches.

I'm a newbie here, what is the kick-starter section about?

is there a private message function on this forum so that I can post You some information?

Thanks

 

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richy176    2,003
9 hours ago, RdBwatches said:

Thanks for the response Deano.

Good choice...I personally wear an M24 in white dial....note that that is a test dial....the definitive version is shown in the picture with the boxes watches.

I'm a newbie here, what is the kick-starter section about?

is there a private message function on this forum so that I can post You some information?

Thanks

 

The PM facility requires you to have 50 posts so you can not use it yet.

The kickstarter section was started so that people could promote their watches  but there is also a section for headed `official watch makers forum' .

It is generally considered bad manners to join the forum and immediately post about watches that you are trying to sell rather than contacting the forum owner @Royand asking permission. Yoy may find that this thread gets moved.

As for the watch, it looks good and a bit different but 36mm is way too small for me as even 40mm is at my lower limit. Price point and build time will be important and probably best to post this information on the forum than send individual pms.

 

 

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scottswatches    5,157

Yes, please contact the Forum owner Roy before seeking free advertising, and then you may go far

If you don't you may just go.

The introduction section is more about you, and how you got addicted to watches.  What you have already, what you want etc.  Not for advertising 

 

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RdBwatches    29

Thanks for the suggestion, i will contact Roy then. :thumbsup:

I hope I will be authorized by him to continue to show You our watch and its story in the correct section, and receive your comments.

thanks!

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Chromejob    852

What's the movement? What's teh case material? What type of lume? Do you regulate them prior to shipment? What's your warranty period? Does it transfer to second owners? 

Please don't just say Swiss ETA mvement. We know where ETA makes their ebauches. There is watch expertise here that probably far exceeds your own, so be aware of the audience you're speaking to. ;) 

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RdBwatches    29

Thanks to Roy for moving the thread here.

I will start from the beginning.

The idea of creating a watch from a nut and its screw goes back to the late 90s.

After many years full of issues and second yhougths, the watch is finally here!

What make this toy unique is its case, wich is split in an external case and an internal one.

The external is derived from the m24 (36mm) hexagonal nut, the internal (wich holds the caliber) comes from the head of the relative screw.

This below is a maquette showing the evolution of the external case:

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Here instead the pieces composing the whole case:

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(sorry I have to write at bets due to lack of time)

 

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RdBwatches    29

So, one of the biggest issues when you're trying to build a case from the head of a screw.....is the lack of space.

the cal ETA 2671 was chosen for its compact size.

the lugs was another big trouble. They're machined on 8 axle lathe and anchored to the case.

the basic material for the M24 is stainless steel AISI 304 and alumec 89 for some details.

as an option, we can use different materials (titanium, copper, bronze...) and the customer is free to provide us a hex nut and screw to be transformed.

We have 3 different dial colours: white, blue and black.

Notice that, on demand, it is possible to build a M27 model (41 mm).

warranty is 2 year long. 

Some pictures in the next post.

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RdBwatches    29

The M24 Baleno (wich means " a blink of an eye" in English) (ref. 5005A/B)

These below shows a "series 0" model, with test dial:

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The definitive dial is shown below (sorry for the bad pic):

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Hussle    401

I do actually quite like that, good effort, would be nice to have a rotating bezel and also the 3 and 9 numbers on there, possibly date also . Is it waterproof?

I would want it in the larger size though 40mm +

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RdBwatches    29

Thanks Hussle for your opinion.

The bazel has a big role in the assembly of this watch...so it is fixed here but never say never.

About the date, there is a predisposition for that on the dial and maybe the beta series will have it.

The watch is waterproof (tested 5 atm), but obviously this is not a diver.

It is a handcrafted watch, that's the name of the game.

See below a M24 model worn on the wrist...this is a 36 mm, a 41mm case (the M27) is available as an option.

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Caller.    3,011

Hi, it looks pretty good, but isn't it a problem that the Victoria inox, which has been a huge success, has already done something similar and has been available for nearly 3-years?

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Hussle    401

Hmmmm it is pretty similar. The Victorinox is not made from a giant nut though is it?

Guido, did you have a price in mind for these watches?

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RdBwatches    29
1 hour ago, Caller. said:

Hi, it looks pretty good, but isn't it a problem that the Victoria inox, which has been a huge success, has already done something similar and has been available for nearly 3-years?

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Hi Caller,

i strongly doubt that Victorinox is made out of an nut....

Looks like a whole peace of steel to me.

and also quite cheap.

But I have to admit that visually it is the most similar thing to the M24  I've ever   seen.:)

41 minutes ago, Hussle said:

Hmmmm it is pretty similar. The Victorinox is not made from a giant nut though is it?

Guido, did you have a price in mind for these watches?

Hi Hussle,

we've already sold a couple of M24s here in Italy.

the M24 with bracelet is priced around 2.800,00 euros.

 

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Hussle    401

Wow 2800! That's quite a high price for a new brand even with the unique manufacturing, I was fairly interested until then. Best wishes for the future.

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Davey P    6,444
34 minutes ago, RdBwatches said:

the M24 with bracelet is priced around 2.800,00 euros.

:swoon:

Sorry mate, but at 2800 Euros I think your project is doomed from the start.  Shame because the concept is good, and it's nice to see something a bit different, design-wise.  However, I'm afraid nobody in their right mind would spend that amount of money on it.  Especially after looking at the Victorinox, which looks better in every department, and is a well established brand.  Actually, that Victorinox looks awesome, and I want one! :laughing2dw:

Well, you did say our comments would be welcome :biggrin:

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martinzx    6,296

That is one FUGLY watch!!! Next....

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Davey P    6,444
2 minutes ago, martinzx said:

That is on FUGLY watch!!! Next....

Blimey, now I wish I hadn't bothered being so kind with my comments! :laughing2dw:

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Caller.    3,011
1 hour ago, RdBwatches said:

i strongly doubt that Victorinox is made out of an nut....

Looks like a whole peace of steel to me.

and also quite cheap.

But I have to admit that visually it is the most similar thing to the M24  I've ever   seen.:)

 

the M24 with bracelet is priced around 2.800,00 euros.

 

No, of course it's not made from a nut, but it looks like one. I wouldn't say the inox is cheap - it's actually amazing value - have you seen the testing they do on these watches? It's quite amazing what they are put through.

That's one of 130, sometimes quite crazy tests.

Full list here.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=victorinox+inox+testing

Personally, I'm not sure how much allure a watch manufactured from a single nut will have, especially with an inexpensive generic ETA movement at it's core and at the price you are charging? But good luck anyway.

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RdBwatches    29

Well....no problem.

I accept your slating.

It's not easy to show quality and all the work behind machining with some pics.

Visiting our assembly workshop in Como would be much more instructive.

What I do not accept is how someone deal lightly with it, without knowing how many efforts, including economic, we have done to have the M24 here today.

Comparing it to a quartz, mass-headed watch you can find on amazon for 200 bucks...

:huh:

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Caller.    3,011

Well it wasn't really a slating, just pointing out a few factors you're gong to have to contend with. 

I'm sure you have put in a lot of effort and hard work to get to where you are and as I said, I wish you well. But at the price you are charging (£2476) there are many other watches that grab my attention more, not least a brand new Omega SMP, which I can pick up for less than the price of your watch.

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Chromejob    852

When you request feedback or opinions, you should strap in, put on your mask, and prepare for the best and the worst that people may offer. Remember it's not personal (or oughtn't be). If you try to defend or joust with the feedback you receive, then you've lost your cool. Keep your hair on and accept and record all the feedback you get, with grace. 

If you can't do that, stop trawling through watch forums trying to get interest or critique. 

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graham1981    2,741

It's been interesting reading this thread and I wish you all the best in your venture, but in my mind the biggest problem you have is price, I know your watch is automatic and the I.N.O.X mentioned earlier is quartz but yours is still six times the price of the I.N.O.X (and that is the price on Victorinox's website so can probably be had cheaper)

Most of your customers will not be watch enthusiasts I would presume (there just aren't that many of us to keep a business afloat) so your customers will probably be motivated by either A) Aesthetics or B) Brand status,and then also price obviously. The problem you have in my mind is that at the price point you are talking about potential customers will see the Victorinox at a much much lower price and be tempted towards that instead of yours. if the potential customer is more brand led than price led you still have the problem of being an unknown as you are new so they are likely again to be tempted towards a bigger (known) brand name. This problem will be compounded by your pricing as it isn't the sort of figure people would be willing to take a chance on (if it was a couple of hundred pounds they might)

Having said all that if you can get pricing, advertising etc all sorted I wish you all the best :thumbsup: 

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RdBwatches    29

Thanks guys :yes:

Well, we really do not want to compete with big brands....it is a handmade watch with all its pros and cons.

for sure its main peculiarity is not the movement, but how it is machined and what material is obtained from.

M24 audience is a fan of mechanics, even before clockwork.

Ok price is unpopular, but how much would you be willing to pay in the U.K. for a handmade watch, build on demand, like this?

 

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