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    I have many interests, but being disabled, I follow them from home or from not more than three or four miles away. I have many interests ranging from watches (of course) to many other forms of antique and art.

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  1. My latest purchase is this hand-wind Tissot Stylist model, in great nick and with box. £30 from a dealer friend. It is just about verging on gents size but won't quite fit comfortably on my wrist. (pic from
  2. First mention of "GP" and I thought I had somehow missed a brand of that name, especially as names of watch firms comprising initials are around. I reckon that Davey has some good advice, and I certainly agree with him about rose gold. I really don't understand why rose gold as a material, solid or plated, seems to have become the gold colour of choice for watches up and down the market spectrum. For me, yellow gold is just as nice, if not nicer, and certainly less "common" these days in both senses of the word.
  3. I noticed that two important illustrations in my Audax Watches topic did not survive the posting process and were deemed to be "unavailable." Please accept my apologies for this and if you now look on the thread for that topic, you will see that I have now posted the pictures properly and the two watches concerned are there in all their glory. I have also now decided to ask Roy if he could go ahead and group my topics together on the forum so that they will be easier to access. This decision was a surprisingly difficult one for to make, psychologically, but the king suggestions on my Audax topic have convinced me that I should do this. Many thanks for the support I have received for my topics.
  4. Thanks for the kind comments, and I apologise for the lack of two illustrations. It seems that these were not available when actually posting the topic, and I think I somehow made an error when locating the appropriate address for them. I have revisited the images online and here they are: 1) A gold Audax wristwatch Hallmarked for 1955/56 and with a 32 mm case. Powered by an ETA 1030 hand-wind movement (pic from A slim and elegant Audax 9 carat gold wristwatch with 33 mm case and silver dial, hallmarked for Birmingham 1963 and powered by a full lever 21J Aurore 4026 hand-wind movement (pic from With regard to putting my topics in a separate forum area so that they are easy for members and visitors to access, I will approach Roy on the subject. Ironically, Roy did suggest this to me but I said "no" because I felt it might put undue pressure on me to "perform." I now think that the time might be right for me to resurrect the idea, not least because it will enable me to track down what companies and brands I have covered in the past. Even I cannot quickly recall every topic I have written on the forum.
  5. When I started writing this topic, I titled it, "Audax Watches: A Pictorial Record," simply because there is apparently no documented history of this brand or company. I thought that I would merely be showing a series of Audax watches, in some sort of date order, and virtually leave it at that. I subsequently drafted the topic, but then with one keyboard stroke, lost the lot, and was forced to start again. In this case, however, I was glad that I did start over again, because it was during the rewrite that lateral thinking provided a real clue to at least part of the history of Audax watches. An intriguing wristwatch wholly unmarked even on the plain domed caseback except for "AUDAX" stamped on the movement. Difficult to date exactly but Antiques Atlas has figured this watch for the 1930s. Case diameter excl. crown is 28mm (pic from Some brand names found on vintage watches, as you will all know, lead to a dead-end when it comes to any information available about them, and Audax proved to be one of these problem watch names. However, when I looked at the extant Audax watches online, I came to the conclusion that Audax was more substantial than being a mere model name or low volume sub-brand. Instead, the number and variety of the watches led me to consider Audax to be a reasonably large concern or brand, that existed for a relatively defined period of time. My first step in appraising what history could be confirmed or deduced was to examine the watches themselves and in doing this, a number of pretty concrete facts emerged. Firstly, the history of Audax seems to have commenced about 1930 and finished just before the quartz crisis and probably just before the introduction of the Seiko Astron quartz in 1969. It seems that there are no quartz Audax watches and it is not clear why the brand was abandoned or why Audax - if it was a separate company - closed down. The earliest firmly datable Audax watch I could find was a lady's 9 carat gold model hallmarked for Chester 1930. A rather nice rectangular-cased gold example hallmarked in 1937 and powered by a Venus 130 movement, was also found. Rectangular gold Audax watch hallmarked for Birmingham 1937 powered by a Venus 130 hand-wind movement and with a hinged Dennison case (pics from While 1937 marks the first obtainable date, the latest watches produced by Audax seem to have been made in the mid-1960s, perhaps until the end of that decade. Intriguingly, some of the later watches are branded "AUDAX/FORTIS" under a crown, and more will be said about these later in this topic. For now, I will just say that given the nature of this branding, with Audax being the prominent name on the watches, I initially assumed that the Fortis name on these watches was a sub-branding for a particular Audax model. An Audax 9 carat gold wristwatch, case hallmarked for 1955/561955 and with 32mm case; powered by an ETA 1030 hand-wind movement (pic from In looking at the watches themselves, it seems that Audax used movements from a number of different Swiss companies. These include Venus, Aurore and ETA. I noted that the movements were often stamped with the Audax name, and the watches are pretty much always marked with a Swiss-made designation. Interestingly, Audax made considerable use of Dennison cases, and there is one tantalising statement that Audax was, in fact, based in Birmingham. This statement may derive from Dennison cases hallmarked in Birmingham and used on Audax watches. So, from the watches, we can deduce that Audax was a mid-market watch brand or company producing a wide range of Swiss-made ladies' and gents' mechanical watches from about the mid 1930s until the end of the 1960s. Hand-wind movements predominate, and watches were sometimes in gold as well as base metal. Dive watches and chronograph watches are lacking and I do wonder if Audax entered these areas of watch production. Obviously, I cannot say for sure, and I do hope that any member of the forum who has an Audax dive watch or chronograph will post details on this thread. As a warning note, Lapizta Audax dive watches are modern and have nothing to do with the Audax we are discussing here. A 21J automatic stainless steel wristwatch by Audax, c.1960 (pic from An elegant and slim Audax wristwatch in 9 carat gold 33mm case, hallmarked for Birmingham,1963. Silver dial, acrylic crystal, and Aurore caliber 4026 full lever 21J hand-wind movement (pics from With little to go on in the watch literature, I decided to use a bit of lateral thinking and examine the word, "Audax" in case something relevant came up. The first possible clue was the use of the term to label a particular form of competitive racing formulated in Italy at the end of the 19th century. In Audax, participants had to swim, run, walk or cycle a set distance over 14 hours (essentially the time between sunrise and sunset), with cyclists required to cover 200 km. Audax was popular in France first, before it eventually came to this country, and there are is a British Audax club as well as bikes that are sold specifically as "Audax" models. I did wonder whether the birth of Audax racing had a hand in the naming of the Audax watch brand or company but ultimately decided that there was no connection. However, I did not give up looking at "audax" in terms of its meaning, and finally I scored a direct hit. I came across a Latin motto, used by a number of regiments, "Fortis et Audax," meaning "The Bold and the Brave." The presence of this motto transformed my approach to Audax watch history because here was a strong potential link between Fortis Watch Company and Audax watches. The motto puts "Fortis" before "Audax" and if one translates this into the relationship between Fortis and Audax watches then it would seem likely that either the two brand names co-existed for the whole of Audax production or that Fortis came first. The first mention I found of a link between Fortis and Audax was a curious comment captioning this military style Audax from about the 1940s, " Audax, associated with Fortis," on (pic from I do not wish to go down the route of detailing the history of Fortis, at least not in this topic, but I can say that I have found no mention of Audax watches in information about the history of Fortis. Nevertheless, further examination of Audax watches online threw up the evidence I needed to establish a definite link. The crucial watch, illustrated here below, is one of the later Audax models - a slim 20 microns gold-plated model from about 1962 - and is marked AUDAX/FORTIS" beneath a crown on the dial with the movement also marked, "FORTIS." Indeed, the crown mark itself leads us to look at Fortis, as does the caseback which is stamped inside, "FORTIS WATCH LTD." as well as having the Fortis name and crown on the obverse side. The key Fortis watch discovery firmly linking Audax watches with Fortis. Branded, AUDAX/FORTIS, on the dial and dating to the early 1960s (pics from The revelation of this link between Fortis and Audax leads me to the tentative conclusion that Audax, for at least part of its life, was indeed a brand name used by Fortis on various watches, mainly dress watches. I am not sure exactly why Fortis used the name, Audax, and I don't know whether Audax was ever an independent watch producer before becoming a Fortis brand. If there is a British connection (and I believe that, for example, Bensons sold Audax watches at some stage), then perhaps Audax watches were primarily intended for the British market. Also, the lack of chronographs and other more rugged designs marked, "Audax," may also be relevant to why Fortis used the Audax name. In connection with ruggedness, I should just mention the "All Risks" range of watches here where reliability is clearly emphasized (see pics at the end of this topic) and some later Audax watches are marked on the dial, "AQUAPRUFE" or "WATERPROOF" emphasizing their water resistance. Waterproof Audax watch from the later 1950s powered by an ETA 1280 17J hand-wind movement (pics from There is clearly much more to be discovered about Audax and I feel that I have only just scratched the surface. I hope that this topic just gives a glimpse into the work and methods involved in how I try and piece together at least parts of a company history where available information is sketchy or, in the case of Audax, negligable. All researchers go about their business in different ways, and it is by combining the information garnered from these different sources that ultimately builds up an accurate and hopefully almost complete history. When I set out on this Audax journey, I thought I would merely show a few Audax watches with comments in the picture captions. Instead, it has been a voyage of discovery but also a frustrating one. I would certainly love to learn more about Audax, especially because the brand is eminently collectible - as long as you are not chronograph or diver watch mad. A glorious Audax gold watch from the late 1950s with chunky long hands and a seconds register. In this case, the blue box is itself marked, AUDAX/FORTIS and also has an AR monogram within a crowned shield. The purpose of this monogram mark is explained below with a contemporary advert of about 1955 (pics at from and Audax advertisement from 1957 showing the "All Risks" monogram and watches from that range, obviously promoting the guarantee and/or reliability of the watches (pic from
  6. I have always liked those Casio models - slim and elegant. Nice one Rog.
  7. Reverso; now there's a name to conjure with. It has to be a Reverso next in your collection, surely. As for giving one of your watches a heave ho and over the side, I would probably plump for the Ebel. It just doesn't have the "presence" of the other watches and it is quartz after all. Did I just say that - most of my watches are quartz so who am I do be a purist?
  8. No, No and No. If it ever came down to having to borrow to buy a watch, I would seriously be asking myself what I was doing even looking to buy it at all. And if I told Kristina that I am thinking of borrowing money to buy a watch, she would put her foot down in the negative - and as the financial genius in our relationship, she would be correct to do so. I am aware that there are zero-interest policies available for buying expensive items, but I am very risk averse when it comes to this sort of thing, and having lived on a very low income during stages in my life, Kris and myself just wouldn't contemplate taking one out on a luxury item.
  9. Classic style, classy looking, and a decent maker who sometimes springs surprises. Positive all round then.
  10. Sorry if I forgot to take into account madly avid Heuer collectors, and I wouldn't ever claim that a good Heuer stopwatch was without value. It's just a matter of degree, and you can pick up stopwatches by good makes, including Heuer, for very reasonable sums of money. Obviously, the point is that in general, a wristwatch is more useful and collectible than a stopwatch, and if the watch is a chronograph model even better. There are certain stopwatch models that do seem to be more expensive and desirable, but then again, if an equivalent wristwatch with the same pedigree and/or individual history came up for sale, it would cost considerably more.
  11. Glad to see you managed to fix that rather nice Seiko, watchrevive. I just wondered, is the actual movement 21J or 17J as it states on the dial? Also, how did you manage to actually glue the balance wheel in such a way that a repair has been effected - I wouldn't have even thought of using an adhesive, but then what do I know about watch repairing?
  12. That is a really nice watch, and I love the name, "Cosmotron." We see so many Seiko watches on the forum that Citizen sometimes seems to be unfairly neglected, so great to have such a good Citizen watch posted, and rather unusual I would think.
  13. I am an avid collector of stopwatches, and I can tell you that the value of an Heuer stopwatch bears no relationship with the value of a decent Heuer wristwatch or chronograph. I have an Heuer stopwatch which I bought for very little money, and I have a number of stopwatches from high quality makers including Omega, Junghans and Minerva. If I had bought these as wristwatches, they would have set me back a small fortune. One reason why I love stopwatches then - you have the quality without the huge price tag.
  14. Yup, I agree with my friends above - RWP and Biker. You got your Avenger for a very good price and it is a nice looking watch with decent specs. Rotary is one of those "tricky" brands these days, with watches sourced from the East and not always as good as the heritage of Rotary would suggest. I must admit that I would only buy a new Rotary if it was decently discounted, and if I was to get one I really desired, it would be more like the lovely 1940s Rotary mechanical watch that Karrusel posted a picture of recently on the forum.
  15. I have to say that I agree with relaxer on this one. The main problem is the inscription, which would instantly identify the watch to any agency looking for it or aware that it has been stolen. I reckon that by now it will probably have been scrapped. If the watch was stolen by someone in the know, it might have gone to a collector, but I am not sure the value over and above the gold price would be enough to persuade the thief to pass on the watch.