Always"watching"

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    I have many interests, but being disabled, I follow them from home or from not more than three or four miles away. I have many interests ranging from watches (of course) to many other forms of antique and art.

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  1. Sorry Mike, I've only just spotted this one and I myself have purchased a couple of watches very like your example but branded with another name - this style of watch seems to have been favoured in certain countries, presumably the Middle East and, perhaps, India. Swiss firms were catering to this clientele from quite early on, I believe. Just a minute while I do a bit of digging online ... Right, here goes: There were apparently a number of brands of watch in Switzerland named, "Jupiter," one of which was from Cortebert. Cortebert was a large Factory that produced good quality movements, even to the extent that in the 1900s the firm made some movements for Rolex. Molnija, in Russia, copied some Cortebert movements. Jupiter pocket watch by Cortebert - note the Arabic writing on the inner cover (pics from collectorsweekly.com): I would date this pocket watch to about the 1920s, which is obviously considerably earlier than your Jupiter wristwatch, but it is interesting that both watches seem to have been Swiss-made and bear similar scripts, presumably from the Middle East. I have now referenced a number of images of Jupiter watches that are more specific to the period of your own example and there would certainly seem to be a Turkish connection. I am not sure what the caseback of your watch looks like but the Middle-Eastern imported Jupiter watches tend to have have quite decorative stamped backs (with Jupiter all in upper-case and stars) Here is a Jupiter Turkish watch, Swiss-made for the Turkish Railway Company, again with an embossed caseback (pics from relic-watches.com): And here is a Jupiter automatic from the 1970s. The majority of Jupiter watches illustrated that are from the period equating approximately to your own example have a flower motif above the legend, "JUPITER," on the dial, just as your own watch does (pic from i.ebayimg.com): As you will appreciate, I have not yet completely solved the problem of which company made/produced your Jupiter watch, and my puzzlement has been further enhanced by the fact that the Japanese Orient Watch Company produced a number of Swiss-made mechanical watches branded, Jupiter. It would seem that these are usually in solid gold cases, but what is intriguing is the fact that the case backs of these Orient Jupiter watches are embossed rather in the manner of the Jupiter branded watches by the main firm using the Jupiter brand name in the 1960s and 1970s. Also, the types of font used on the lesser Orient watches in the 1960s/1970s for the the brand/company name on the dials is very similar (but not identical) to that used by Jupiter. Here is a quartz Orient from the 1970s, and note the similar underlined font used for the words "JUPITER" and "ORIENT" on the two watches. If the match could be shown to be exact, we might get somewhere, but this font was used by a number of watch companies in the relevant period (pic from cloudfront.net): I am not claiming that Orient was responsible for the middle market Jupiter brand watches, and my gut feeling is that these were produced by a Swiss company, perhaps as an export brand to more Eastern markets. Research into watches and who made them can be exciting and also very frustrating and I shall endeavour to remain on the "Jupiter" trail. Oh, and by the way dear Mike, I can't tell you exactly what movement your Jupiter watch contains. Before I go, or drive you all mad, how about this extraordinary vintage Japanese novelty Jupiter watch radio, on Ebay priced at about US$78 (pic from s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com):
  2. Great pics, dear Wrench. I must get a Steinhart in the near future, and those bronze offerings are pretty smart. Nice one (or rather, two).
  3. Dear elhaydon, I have posted a quite long and hopefully useful critique of your watches and website on the other thread you started about Eldon watches.
  4. THANKS FOR THAT BRUMMIE: You're an ace - a whole new resource for me!
  5. Having seen the rather negative feedback from Forum members, I don't want to add to any misery that you might have experienced on reading it. However, I have to admit that I do agree with the nay-sayers, and I am trying to formulate words that might be of some assistance as you progress your company. Obviously, you have had sufficient backers and subscribers to get the watches off the ground, and the "early bird" offers are commendably inexpensive. I would make the following points about your product and your website: 1) I personally don't want to have to create my own watch when I buy one - instead, I want the watch company to offer me a finished and well-designed watch that bears a degree of personality related to the particular brand I am wearing. 2) I do feel that the wording of your website contains hyperbole that we have all heard before and in the competitive world of watches, you need to be saying something new and refreshing as your mission statement. Yes, the watches are interchangeable, and that is something of a USP, but cut out the other stuff about what sort of man you are catering for. 3) The dial designs for your watches are distinctly uninspiring. The blue Eldon dial with no date feature is bland and just not interesting, and the white dial is clearly derived from the famous Nomos/Bauhaus style. In fact, I find the day/date feature oddly clumsy on that classic dial design. 4) I do feel that the watch cases are somewhat clumsy in feel and do need honing down to perfect the design. 5) For heavens sake, pretty much ALL watches bought new today have at least a one-year guarantee, and two of the budget firms that I respect - Limit and Sekonda - provide a two-year guarantee. 6) Your survey was far too brief and sketchy, and I would have done far more market research before deciding on your final product and launching it. I am aware that niche watch brands seem to pop up all over the place, but more time spent researching the field would have gone a long way. 7) I am not quite sure of your target audience when it comes to your pricing strategy. The £50 to £300 price range is absolutely choc-a-bloc with watch companies and brands both large and small. This means that you will be hard-pressed to make any real dent in the total market share of watches made and sold in this lower price bracket, and some of your competitors are well-established names that have a history behind them. I know I have been rather negative, but in a more positive vein, I am glad that you have chosen to use decent quality materials for your watches. The pricing difference between the "early bird" offers and the ultimate retail prices is quite considerable, and I am not sure how you will fare when the higher prices are the norm. I do wish you well, and I also hope that you will remain a member of the Watch Forum UK. I have found that my fellow members are honest and open in their responses, and I would certainly recommend that any niche maker/producer remains a Forum member. You will appreciate, I trust, that it is not ethical to promote your watches on the Forum, but watch news is surely always welcome. Our Forum leader, Roy, is the person to ask if advice on the use of the Forum for surveys and other business is required.
  6. Whew, thank you dear Karrusel and ong. I didn't fancy listing the various marks found on rolled gold and gold plated watches. Yes, I can be a lazy tyke sometimes. Also, kind of you brummie to fill me in about that fascinating Smiths watch movement. I myself have thought how nice it would be to have a complete collection of Argos catalogues, but where would I store them ? I don't know if you can request a particular years's watch pages from Argos themselves but it would be a great service for watch researchers like myself.
  7. Phew, thank goodness for that. I'll only approach him if I can dangle a Services watch in front of his eyes to hypnotize him.
  8. I love lobsters, preferably alive and well and living happily on the sea bed. I have never actually eaten a lobster but I could certainly devour a few Omega Lobsters. Just pass them over here. Gorgeous, but to be honest, just too much for my puny wrists.
  9. I hope that is "friendly rivalry" my dear Karrusel - I'll be keeping a bit of distance until you cool down.
  10. I think I can help with this question of the term "gold plate." In the past, solid gold and solid silver were often designated as being "plate." However, with the advent of methods for laying down a thin layer of gold on base metal or silver, the use of the term, "plate" became increasingly confusing, and we therefore refer to metals with a thin layer of precious metal on them as being "plated." The use of marks to reveal the method of plating as well as the thickness of the precious metal used do appear on some watches, and you may find a reference to rolled gold or gold filled plus a designated thickness of the plate. Even some electroplated watches have relevant marks to denote the quality of the plate. However, all these marks are not the same as hallmarks used to denote solid gold, and if your watch had a solid gold case then I would expect it to carry an identifying hallmark or perhaps a carat mark. For me personally, the nature of the metal of your gold coloured watch is not the most interesting feature of this watch. It is that mechanical movement with its plastic parts. I am aware that Tissot developed a mechanical movement which was largely plastic, and I would certainly like to know who made the ebauche for your Smiths Astralon. Fascinating.
  11. Dear Mach, it is great to have someone who has gone so deeply into one manufacturer's history and products, and I love all the information and pictures you have provided us with on the forum about Services watches. As for that chronograph you have shown on this thread, it is absolutely delicious and I would love to get my hands on one of those watches.
  12. My dear Mike, what a beautiful looking cat, and her face shows her to be a bit special. Losing a loved pet can be heartbreaking. I know it may seem foolish, but when our most talkative and humorous budgerigar died Kris and I both shed tears. You have my empathy and commiserations.
  13. I was about to say something along the same lines as relaxer7. In a way, I find your post amusing, in a nice sort of way. The point is that IWC is a top class watch company, and trying to choose between the watches you have highlighted is surely a matter of very personal preference. Buy the one you really like - I'm sure that either model will work just fine.
  14. Yes, Mel is not only correct about your watch but he has used a very apt term for wholly unbranded old watches. In my opinion, the main hands of your watch may have been replaced at some time because although the numbers appear to have been lumed, the rather new-looking hands of the watch are not lumed at all. I would date your watch to about the late 1930s, and at that time, the use of 15J hand-wind Swiss movements was pretty standard for middle-quality watches. The cost of repairing the mechanics of vintage watches can be high, and sometimes it just isn't worth it unless the watch has personal significance or sentimental value. I must admit that I generally have a policy of leaving working mechanical watches well alone when it comes to fiddling with the movement or even opening the case back. It would seem that you have learned a useful lesson or two already from your boot-sale haul of watches, and once the collecting bug has bitten, I am sure you will learning much more about watches - an activity that never ends.
  15. Thanks so much - so many views, I don't know what to do - leave well alone, buy the amphibian, start with the Komandirskie and then buy an Amphibian, stick with pre-owned older models, ... I think I shall just buy the watches I like the look of rather than worry too much about whether or not they are Komandirskies or Amphibians, as there are certain dials/bezels I particularly like. Also, now that I know that there are Amphibians with a date feature, this, opens up that model to me, and I like the fact that these are stainless steel watches. Also I shall be looking for the cheapest online prices.